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([2604:6000:130f:8161::2604]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 201sm2712476ioe.78.2018.01.10.07.53.04 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Jan 2018 07:53:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <644a0f68-3c04-23b5-c789-66dcc171d4ec@gentoo.org> From: kuzetsa Message-ID: <843967dc-875e-40a4-4783-00126776ff30@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:52:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <644a0f68-3c04-23b5-c789-66dcc171d4ec@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yLLZQjaSaXAzVrSy2Qpre2jTZV76IR2gP" X-Archives-Salt: 7e52a73e-b2b7-40c9-b1a9-da183c48c981 X-Archives-Hash: 3cf00c1ee573bca4cbb363e4a234d804 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --yLLZQjaSaXAzVrSy2Qpre2jTZV76IR2gP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="TXnDvCqxpiawsqCFspMWwRt2V6e8hFIif"; protected-headers="v1" From: kuzetsa To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <843967dc-875e-40a4-4783-00126776ff30@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <644a0f68-3c04-23b5-c789-66dcc171d4ec@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <644a0f68-3c04-23b5-c789-66dcc171d4ec@gentoo.org> --TXnDvCqxpiawsqCFspMWwRt2V6e8hFIif Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 01/10/2018 09:55 AM, Alexander Berntsen wrote: > On 10/01/18 08:55, Lars Wendler wrote: >> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something...=20 > Gentoo has already had the reputation of being an elitist club for > years. As such I'd like to see steps to remedy this status, rather than= > taking steps like this, which just exacerbates the unfortunate status. Definitions matter: An impressive skillset could be called elite. One form could be an elected set of people who have veto power for decisions about the gentoo project. Another definition could focus on social standing, influence, the ability to control peers and apply pressure to defend one's status. This is not often welcoming to outsiders with differing viewpoints. Many aspects of gentoo development can be called elite. The 3rd definition is the one which I'm least comfortable with. Elaboration follows: If the merits of organizational and technical goals are the only definitions used, there is no reason for the elitism to be feared. Competency is not a problem. Perhaps this is a discussion more suited to the gentoo-project mailing list. It's taking a turn away from development concerns again. That's part of the point for this new posting restriction. On-topic subject matter can be relayed, and/or persons prone to development concerns are still able to be whitelisted. I see no problem here. --TXnDvCqxpiawsqCFspMWwRt2V6e8hFIif-- --yLLZQjaSaXAzVrSy2Qpre2jTZV76IR2gP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEMH8xDp5tbsOKHqmmvk1O/QUpfGcFAlpWNt4ACgkQvk1O/QUp fGcimg//cngv0u16q8U3z6/v357mGri/wojMq8QX2iMoq4h0ezd558xb2TLj2fsq K2AV8mJ5SDg+K1DUN1cpXEsl2p8d0IpHyHMPu+f1UJ9Bd2/OYRZ8JVr6LbGtjhy4 Fg8zzE7nf/Sbt1LUJUuF8LOYDq8/TG/RvFMqMJx6oJEmLASLAS8bv8yG89wYEW1I pGJ+Q3NdqB6w+/5hcLEi2A0dBhMYEyOc/A6HDqHFFEygL9HQThRomMhtwDxI+Tx/ ru/ySE7ihTepmxQdAK/cufcKElpDr7ENiRPVgGzuukhlGwPtqwIhpplMw/+Olu/f O+RM4liHcz32o05bKX2wjoBxlnclTl+0U7/AOP1Alm1CWpqgJn+DRVYIDisPgXlC RrAFwO0+FV0Vomk0Dv2y3xaTjRRqAkkKf/kv9YptzlaC7uUeIh/FXyOOF77xDgI9 08oNmClDpvddwrLbcnjgejUMk0sSgBt+xNvPjZejJdOIfIwT81zTcecDabzWaTVz mxevQfOg+DanfVtEDuuhyxip2cO/iw++VS++bFq60fYBMSMoDRFJGH6FZ7PqGP7F rojuTxcJog6CF0SRxBKmq2VzdDMjHEM7eYGs2hH/SNI3AJXC5b0Kvh2/g13FYCMq tOLWCprUMzRrHdJr4kmSrvuAYYQGVE4uI4piJRvQQhDhAXYe16w= =wyKd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yLLZQjaSaXAzVrSy2Qpre2jTZV76IR2gP--