From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2662F138330 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:26:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A3FFE0C7E; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A61CBE0C5D for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.130] (CPE002401f30b73-CM7cb21bc3014a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [174.116.156.189]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: axs) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A0BD341012 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2016 17:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: #wg-stable: Reservations about a "STABLE" & "NeedsStable" bugzilla keywords (re: [gentoo-dev] New Working Group established to evaluate the stable tree) To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <6046d13b-1a54-aa5e-ab16-df448b0f8c59@gentoo.org> <8e18f41d-3463-7a95-a184-e75030eedc48@gentoo.org> <201608152130.08003.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <5f3541fe-960a-33e9-9373-e60e723e5263@gentoo.org> From: Ian Stakenvicius Message-ID: <8308d736-239c-c768-a5df-e1ffa0fe5e7e@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 13:25:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5f3541fe-960a-33e9-9373-e60e723e5263@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BjkAJtkGmrJvuvfim4XSPrr562e6F2m4x" X-Archives-Salt: ee729539-9af2-48b9-bd7f-3dfa4a2fbc72 X-Archives-Hash: 83d7fd1a8bd108409ded11b1a3d844f7 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --BjkAJtkGmrJvuvfim4XSPrr562e6F2m4x Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="iwhDu5U1cVXHN5uoiHGd3M4EminwVOgKW" From: Ian Stakenvicius To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <8308d736-239c-c768-a5df-e1ffa0fe5e7e@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: #wg-stable: Reservations about a "STABLE" & "NeedsStable" bugzilla keywords (re: [gentoo-dev] New Working Group established to evaluate the stable tree) References: <6046d13b-1a54-aa5e-ab16-df448b0f8c59@gentoo.org> <8e18f41d-3463-7a95-a184-e75030eedc48@gentoo.org> <201608152130.08003.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <5f3541fe-960a-33e9-9373-e60e723e5263@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <5f3541fe-960a-33e9-9373-e60e723e5263@gentoo.org> --iwhDu5U1cVXHN5uoiHGd3M4EminwVOgKW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 20/08/16 08:30 PM, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 08/15/2016 12:42 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Andreas K. H=C3=BCttel wrote: >>> 1) Stabilization is a simpler and much more formalized process compar= ed to >>> normal bug resolution. >>> * There is one version to be stabilized. >>> * One precise package version >> >> Can you clarify what this means? Do you mean that at any time only >> one version of any particular package/slot is marked stable? >> >> That seems like it would be problematic for ranged deps. Granted, >> those are problematic in and of themselves since they can create >> conflicts that are hard to resolve. However, this extends conflicts >> between package you might not want to install at the same time to >> situations where you don't even need both of the conflicting packages.= >> > I believe he's just talking about a per-bug or per-stablereq basis. So > each version gets its own opportunity to have bugs surface or > stabilization issues instead of attempting to stabilize a bunch of > versions at once. >=20 > (Correct me if I'm wrong; I don't see the value of a single stable > version for each package and it would create a lot of noise in git log)= >=20 Even though some projects (mozilla, for instance) do request stabilizations of multiple packages and/or versions in a single go, that doesn't mean we should and I have no issues changing our process to something more atomic. What should be noted here is that if we work towards adopting new tools or methods here, we absolutely need to do so in a way that is beneficial to the workflow of our AT's, especially those that perform large numbers of stabilizations like ago. If this new process doesn't make things at least incrementally easier for them, it needs to be re-thought. --iwhDu5U1cVXHN5uoiHGd3M4EminwVOgKW-- --BjkAJtkGmrJvuvfim4XSPrr562e6F2m4x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iF4EAREIAAYFAlfz5iIACgkQ2ugaI38ACPB0IwD/di12zL/yo/CCefmSGnvJndMU jLlvpO+keJ54lAAOfDsA/RE1mrp7nUGHtZEVU7iJ3zpWlnTLWOGkNvAgAiH+AElY =LHzf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BjkAJtkGmrJvuvfim4XSPrr562e6F2m4x--