Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

[Jakub Moc <jakub@gentoo.org>]

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28.2.2006, 13:54:36, Stephen P. Becker wrote:

>> You still haven't posted posted a *single example* of webapp-config
>> brokeness. You, I'd say you should either back up claims about "all the ways
>> in which webapp-config is broken" or apologize to the concerned developers
>> for false claims.
>> 
>> Still waiting.
>> 

> OK, here is one.  It seems that webapp-config silently assumes your 
> webserver is apache by default.  If a user uses lighttpd for example, 
> this is totally incorrect.

Why don't you voice your solutions on Bug 11007? The whole underlying stuff
is hell broader than what webapp-config assumes or doesn't assume.

> Now, this doesn't cause webapp-config to fail to emerge, but the first 
> time you emerge any webapp, you get a big nasty error about no Apache 
> group available, which further requires the end user to dig around the 
> webapp-config manpage to figure out the correct file to edit *just* to 
> get a silly php script to install in the correct location.

The above is a direct result of purging all kind of useful predefined
users/groups from /etc/{passwd,group} without considering any wider
consequences. It has already caused circular deps and broke a couple of
things, included but non-limited to installing Gentoo itself (search
bugzilla for related bugs). Where is the whole benefit from this, I still
have to see.

webapp-config should be updated to handle such situation more gracefully, so
why don't you file a bug about this? Is that all you have wrt "all the ways
in which webapp-config is broken"? If so, that's not really much of a
justification of the broad claim ciaranm has made as a QA project member.

> And please, don't tell me this is a feature.  It breaks noninteractivity 
> for every "webapp" in the entire tree.

What kind of non-interactivity? What's this universal non-interactivity
blurb of yours and ciaranm's about? There's no such thing when it comes to
configuration. If you want automated "configuration", then please use
Windows and stop moaning. If you don't want to read manpages or at least
--help, then please use Windows as well. If you want to use non-default
setup, then you need to change default values, that's what common sense
dictates at least. And don't use the (non)-interactivity magical formular in
a context where it has zero sense.


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