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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <80329763-a1f7-cbb3-6157-8736eb18a0bd@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: killing mediawiki References: <20180703173943.GA21852@linux1.home> <20180703200133.GA22234@linux1.home> In-Reply-To: <20180703200133.GA22234@linux1.home> --Jruowt0vtkwYZsXqN1qpHLyvHe4selbrb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 03/07/18 21:01, William Hubbs wrote: > On Tue, Jul 03, 2018 at 09:20:53PM +0200, Jonas Stein wrote: >>> I don't care that we have a wiki, but can we please look into killing= >>> mediawiki and look at something with a git backend?=20 >> I think the wiki is very useful and should remain. > Like I said, there are wiki packages out there like gollum, ikiwiki, an= d > probably others which would allow editing of content via text files and= > use vcs's for version control of the changes, so I'm not advocating for= > shutting down the wiki. I think we should have one that is more > accessible to users who want to use different interfaces. We shouldn't > be forcing users to use a full web browser just to contribute to the > wiki. > >>> It would be very nice to be able to edit wiki pages in markdown or an= other similar format >>> and use git to control the changes instead of editing in a browser. >> I think it is more efficient to convert your yearly contributions to t= he >> wiki [1] manually from markdown to mediawiki, instead to convert the >> existent wiki pages to anything plus setup a new engine and configure >> user accounts. > If that is converted from markdown, all you would have to do is use the= > markdown directly if the new wiki supports it. > >> Btw: Would a conversion to another wiki mean that we get another long >> footer on every wikipage "This page was edited by... do not remove..."= ? > I have no idea about that, but that alone shouldn't stop this from > happening. > >> For the special case of the Gentoo Manual: >> I think the Gentoo Manual is better maintained in a git repository, >> because it was initially written like a book and sometimes it is bette= r >> to make PRs for the manual. > I don't really see the manual as a special case. We should use the same= > interface for everything. > > William 1) I think this idea was floated before, and failed before .. 2) Existing wiki team are badly understaffed, how would this improve things? How would new maintainers be registered and managed? 3) Are you volunteering to implement this change yourself (infra are equally understaffed) and manage the change and transition, in addition to your existing commitments? --Jruowt0vtkwYZsXqN1qpHLyvHe4selbrb-- --86UXSiPl4QZHFGSSYeSR1dyHq61JCxjOZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJbO9fxAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdcfsP+gPsNvrkveEphLF3qkc1EsJe yDbZ/kGbjfvPVXsqpgfs7ZacbIRolX3PhxFBRG6ybUiVDzq2h4bjHx5TTsalVypb serkha76lHp/d5SxOUV+MycZXOb23eFLxv92osJUskzJQxW1XGE4Lr3Tn1Dk4dXp fC5SWmJqOTxETSL6zPCyDMHf4SS4rZ4FAUmQrHzEseUub8La/OId8eqjw1eO3Aq2 B7IaB6PcyIXkaP/ESWyR+76dWMG+vXXr4JHkMrR9bVubgd2atFh+kLkExi3Th5fa 9e0ZE9S5bBJykh9NtC0c0zrDda8MHckqzUzdBKPcafh+XF/TrzUgcZAxhjQ79Emu Z92HHmVNmktYsveKkVPL2x9dYMZY+QLAmendLkGUQ9ipJdBPJzjkaVXg2Ic8X2ne l73zWDodzlJgHi3rToKz713b9HK9ic034lPdIMtMNo6NMXlIZGyY70Bvhyw/ZiGf dFKST7YnOMvSnx+5QGeNyeqw/+pnX7h7rxETF3VsvBXPSSqjzoHUSgPawdlhQFRJ vJOcEuPS4mN27/Xq71CSL0bqz1OX2EfMQ/kV0fmNdAwqHhVHvnVywPULsMtvZOhR Uo/1XVtkE4vHnM0FCorhanOFPB7R8Nb3ZEgstNQZTJT3MztfCE2VRWibYHwprdJ+ sI97lC0tOw4pxBHsA5Q8 =hJ+w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --86UXSiPl4QZHFGSSYeSR1dyHq61JCxjOZ--