From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K6ips-0006QE-OQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:12 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79A10E0467; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4D3E0467 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A770674D7 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -1.819 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.819 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.780, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZqbqMLD0B1Jj for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E3A67546 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v33so2625498wah.24 for ; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:11:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Qga7bqky/TQfyC80RnpuswB8jDgzctUPMe0Ow2gxIho=; b=e9PCrVWZcHHEkzGZQx3g/kia9aZWy5fKYo4UPJYs1opkOOXfv7O+2uHW9mP9z1ju3h PV8GGPlPriwOmip/ybR3/rgYRHWJvO48pDbfpw2+8YkwO/T/C9JvCN/qdy8mLXiVX1zY EoNy7WUgXY3D+o7m3ad6sQ6j/S33qhmpT6wWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=J2E97oWtDcwuBvpinq1zowbU7RmDxI821SGziCzfIyyMRR/EiYxNXgqt7Ccdi+NzRQ umqEgPVzjl9sU0h4CNRpdyqEt2+zc6h7p6T6mJan/GJlFbGWE7M4Sf4Yd+3fa0OHxlFZ JK3BluOPMughAQwf+VviKW0PIIdHnrSzZQxJU= Received: by 10.114.200.2 with SMTP id x2mr1129233waf.79.1213261864103; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.153.6 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7c612fc60806120211r50472ad3x15194f3c0fedf7e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:11:04 +0200 From: "Denis Dupeyron" Sender: denis.dupeyron@gmail.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Agenda [WAS: One-Day Gentoo Council Reminder for June] In-Reply-To: <20080612071944.GB9607@comet> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080611070618.54E4066E24@smtp.gentoo.org> <20080611215827.GB7074@comet> <20080612071944.GB9607@comet> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 69ce7a318414527f X-Archives-Salt: 93bbb55d-6440-4ca1-8a72-eb6906749e32 X-Archives-Hash: 7a1495e7f0af9e682f948d75b53bb102 On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > The idea behind posting to the list in advance is twofold -- holding > council members accountable for: > > 1) Knowing the relevant information, and > > 2) Participating in the source discussion if they have anything new to > add, rather than bringing it up during the meeting. > > What we don't want is people speaking up at the meeting with previously > unheard opinions or asking about already discussed topics, either of > which often create prolonged discussions. > > The alternative to posting in advance is that you agree with an opinion > that's already out there and will not bring up anything new during the > meeting. That's my interpretation of people not posting, and that's > perfectly fine. > > In the future, every council meeting should become little more than a > time to hold a vote on predefined options for each topic. In fact, if we > could get that far, we might not even need live meetings at all anymore > It could all be on-list, or even using votify. This is going into an interesting direction. Another thing I'd like to see is rather than simply postponing a decision, making sure the reason(s) for the postponing do(es) not exist any more for the next meeting or in a given time. The method usually includes making someone responsible for solving the issue (in our case somebody will need to volunteer), making sure that person can and will dedicate enough time, making sure (s)he will have have access to the necessary people or tools, etc... It's classic problem solving methodology, and I'm sure you, Donnie, can much better elaborate on this. I don't think we need to formalize this, but like your proposition of how to efficiently conduct a meeting it's just a sane habit to acquire. Denis. -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list