From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HZZch-0000jW-E9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:36:03 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l35LZ3rI028053; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:35:03 GMT Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l35LX3Id025715 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:33:03 GMT Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id w8so1241590mue for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=N4kC9Kx8jns0bGv8mtDFguDeZ6UUsyjRsI/0E0FmGStlpMIFilVPIgTKjy8/UVCVIrF1x4PhTNq9zTg8N5V4zAzm7bTHdJFB4ESJlYqdbvDkE5zGcetDctah9IUNNthXmvXoeMi1bwzsiBvby3KOp26oK3ZuKwTGE9s21ywx7lc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LqeCuITlnu2mhyFeFimQ9k7ZfpIPSDicpcno+oOsIEtc0MvlY2p+NU03kl94OcILCA8ceI4XYeDrIt+051I4BpTJP+7HJhnJttZKBW6+FwDXGbYA63hPAC4jRU9cxS0tKnoworrZBflXa783LK7ZHURfJT5q8ECLyhUIE0nOCws= Received: by 10.82.155.10 with SMTP id c10mr3434581bue.1175808781932; Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.182.18 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Apr 2007 14:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7c612fc60704051433r6053b740m44c9607505f9b21f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 23:33:01 +0200 From: "Denis Dupeyron" Sender: denis.dupeyron@gmail.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April In-Reply-To: <1175776760.18656.13.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070401092940.1B4C26441E@smtp.gentoo.org> <20070404193643.GA7174@ubik> <20070404201717.GB25883@feynman.corp.halliburton.com> <20070404232844.GB7174@ubik> <7c612fc60704050429p27151192v2e0949c82fc7f6fc@mail.gmail.com> <1175776760.18656.13.camel@vertigo.twi-31o2.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a832afeef5c5cbe5 X-Archives-Salt: c4016240-0606-4e26-b0c6-013a7dbb1541 X-Archives-Hash: b400aba7921a2007f94f4b595c265c8e On 4/5/07, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > I just find this whole situation hysterical since you have so many > people saying the Council needs to "grow a pair" and actually try to > enact some good, and when we do, you hear a few vocal individuals > running around screaming like we killed their kitten. So which is it? Why would the council need to "grow a pair" when it already has SpanKY's ;o) I only proposed the veto thing because I felt that it could be a good compromise to reassure those devs who fall for the conspiracy theories, so that they feel safe and get back to work. I never believed the council would realistically do something that would harm Gentoo. I'm sorry for the confusion if any. > Would you rather have a strong Council that is capable of making > decisions without having to worry about whether that decision is popular > or not, or would you rather have a weak Council that cannot do anything > without prior developer approval, completely castrating their abilities > to enact change for fear of being removed from office? Agreed, here. There was one vote last summer when we collectively decided that the current council members were the best for the job. And that's all we need until next summer. I have been reading carefully a lot of emails and irclogs for some time, especially during the recent events, and I must say that I'm very pleased with the way things went, and how people (of the council and devrel mainly) interacted. While I'm not 100% satisfied with the outcome, which may be a sure sign the right decisions were made, I certainly won't complain. Denis. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list