[gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Hi all, 

here's a brief update on the upcoming 23.0 profiles.

* All planned features are implemented (but not necessarily tested).
  https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_profile_transition

* A draft upgrade document exists.
  https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions

Unless something important comes up over the next 7 days (and I mean you, 
worthy mailing list readers :), I consider the feature set now frozen.

Which means, in a week we can start testing this in earnest. The 
next step will be to create "exp" profile entries, migrate seeds, and 
start up stage builds on all arches (in parallel to the existing builds
and for now not linked on the webpages yet).

Cheers,
Andreas

-- 
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer 
(council, comrel, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Dilfridge

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Alex Boag-Munroe]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 at 23:27, Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
<snip>
> * A draft upgrade document exists.
>   https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions

I can't edit the draft so just to mention here, there's references
made to an update table at
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_table
however in the text the cited source is tagged as [4] but it should be
[3]

Ninpo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Andreas K. Huettel]

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Am Sonntag, 26. November 2023, 17:50:22 CET schrieb Alex Boag-Munroe:
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 at 23:27, Andreas K. Huettel <dilfridge@gentoo.org> wrote:
> <snip>
> > * A draft upgrade document exists.
> >   https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions
> 
> I can't edit the draft so just to mention here, there's references
> made to an update table at
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_table
> however in the text the cited source is tagged as [4] but it should be
...

Thank you, fixed! -a


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Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer
(council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Alexey Sokolov]

25.11.2023 23:27, Andreas K. Huettel пишет:
> Hi all,
>
> here's a brief update on the upcoming 23.0 profiles.
>
> * All planned features are implemented (but not necessarily tested).
>    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_profile_transition
>
> * A draft upgrade document exists.
>    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Toolchain/23.0_update_instructions
>
> Unless something important comes up over the next 7 days (and I mean you,
> worthy mailing list readers :), I consider the feature set now frozen.
>
> Which means, in a week we can start testing this in earnest. The
> next step will be to create "exp" profile entries, migrate seeds, and
> start up stage builds on all arches (in parallel to the existing builds
> and for now not linked on the webpages yet).
>
> Cheers,
> Andreas
>
1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o

2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd 
default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be 
default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma. But that name looks 
like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has to 
be specifically mentioned in the profile name. Therefore I probably 
should migrate to merged-usr. But the only instruction how to do that 
assumes systemd. And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but 
without systemd anyway... except that there is: 
default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in the 
table.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Andreas K. Huettel]

> 1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o

Yes, but the wiki does not allow full links into itself. Will be fixed
in the final news item.

> 2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd 
> default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be 
> default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma. 

Correct.

> But that name looks 
> like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has to 
> be specifically mentioned in the profile name.

I'd prefer "more standard", "more common", "more usual" ...

It'll definitely soon be the configuration where software is (globally)
more tested, independent of what Gentoo does. (if that is not already the
case now...)

> Therefore I probably should migrate to merged-usr. 

You can migrate after the profile upgrade, but you don't have to.
No hurry.

> But the only instruction how to do that 
> assumes systemd. 

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Merge-usr

Doesn't mention systemd anywhere. I'll update this page a bit
mentioning the new naming scheme in 23.0, and link it in the news item.

> And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but 
> without systemd anyway... except that there is: 
> default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in the 
> table.

It's fairly simple:
* In 17.x, every systemd split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile
* In 23.0, every split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile

Cheers -a


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Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics
University of Regensburg
93040 Regensburg
Germany

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[stefan11111]

On 2023-11-30 12:27, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>> 1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o
> 
> Yes, but the wiki does not allow full links into itself. Will be fixed
> in the final news item.
> 
>> 2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd
>> default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be
>> default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma.
> 
> Correct.
> 
>> But that name looks
>> like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has 
>> to
>> be specifically mentioned in the profile name.
> 
> I'd prefer "more standard", "more common", "more usual" ...
> 
> It'll definitely soon be the configuration where software is (globally)
> more tested, independent of what Gentoo does. (if that is not already 
> the
> case now...)
> 
>> Therefore I probably should migrate to merged-usr.
> 
> You can migrate after the profile upgrade, but you don't have to.
> No hurry.
> 
>> But the only instruction how to do that
>> assumes systemd.
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Merge-usr
> 
> Doesn't mention systemd anywhere. I'll update this page a bit
> mentioning the new naming scheme in 23.0, and link it in the news item.
> 
>> And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but
>> without systemd anyway... except that there is:
>> default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in 
>> the
>> table.
> 
> It's fairly simple:
> * In 17.x, every systemd split-usr profile has a corresponding
> merged-usr profile
> * In 23.0, every split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr 
> profile
> 
> Cheers -a
> 
> 
> --
> PD Dr. Andreas K. Huettel
> Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics
> University of Regensburg
> 93040 Regensburg
> Germany
> 
> tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile)
> tel. +49 941 943 1618 (office)
> e-mail andreas.huettel@ur.de
> https://www.akhuettel.de/
> https://www.akhuettel.de/group/
Wait, does this mean that split-usr will be gone soon?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Andreas K. Huettel]

>
> Wait, does this mean that split-usr will be gone soon?
> 

Define soon. 

It took us 6 years to come up with new profiles.
Guess how long the next ones will take.

-- 
Andreas K. Hüttel
dilfridge@gentoo.org
Gentoo Linux developer
(council, toolchain, base-system, perl, libreoffice)

Re: [gentoo-dev] Update on 23.0 profiles

[Alexey Sokolov]

30.11.2023 12:27, Andreas K. Huettel пишет:
>> 1. The [4]/[5] probably should list full domain name rather than g.o
> Yes, but the wiki does not allow full links into itself. Will be fixed
> in the final news item.
>
>> 2. According to 23.0_update_table, my non-systemd
>> default/linux/amd64/17.1/desktop/plasma should now be
>> default/linux/amd64/23.0/split-usr/desktop/plasma.
> Correct.
>
>> But that name looks
>> like merged-usr is now considered "better" than split-usr, as it has to
>> be specifically mentioned in the profile name.
> I'd prefer "more standard", "more common", "more usual" ...
>
> It'll definitely soon be the configuration where software is (globally)
> more tested, independent of what Gentoo does. (if that is not already the
> case now...)
>
>> Therefore I probably should migrate to merged-usr.
> You can migrate after the profile upgrade, but you don't have to.
> No hurry.
>
>> But the only instruction how to do that
>> assumes systemd.
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Merge-usr

Thanks, I was only following links in the news item.


> Doesn't mention systemd anywhere. I'll update this page a bit
> mentioning the new naming scheme in 23.0, and link it in the news item.

It kinda does. Because there's no non-systemd merged-usr plasma profile 
in 17. Only in 23. So, I cannot migrate to merged-usr before switch to 23.

Perhaps mention in the news item (or in the profiles table) that "after 
migrating to 23 profile you gain an option to migrate to merged-usr if 
you wish"?


>
>> And there's no plasma profile with merged-usr but
>> without systemd anyway... except that there is:
>> default/linux/amd64/23.0/desktop/plasma, it's just not mentioned in the
>> table.
> It's fairly simple:
> * In 17.x, every systemd split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile
> * In 23.0, every split-usr profile has a corresponding merged-usr profile
>
> Cheers -a
>
>
> --
> PD Dr. Andreas K. Huettel
> Institute for Experimental and Applied Physics
> University of Regensburg
> 93040 Regensburg
> Germany
>
> tel. +49 151 241 67748 (mobile)
> tel. +49 941 943 1618 (office)
> e-mail andreas.huettel@ur.de
> https://www.akhuettel.de/
> https://www.akhuettel.de/group/
>
>