From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ECZiD-0000xh-PZ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:25:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j869LXw3005484; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:21:33 GMT Received: from smtp.top-hosting.cz (gw.top-hosting.cz [81.0.254.91]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j869JowG026038 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 09:19:50 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.top-hosting.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D671B9FD1A6 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:23:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.top-hosting.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wac [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 01163-12-2 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:23:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from www2.chlastej.net (unknown [82.99.172.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.top-hosting.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2F29FD1A7 for ; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:22:58 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:22:57 +0200 From: Jakub Moc X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7610685607.20050906112257@gentoo.org> To: Stuart Herbert Subject: Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] tentative x86 arch team glep In-Reply-To: <1125950968.10666.72.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> References: <20050904143711.GD23576@dst.grantgoodyear.org> <20050904215931.53b9db51@snowdrop.home> <1125870764.11364.152.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <200509042012.38859.morfic@gentoo.org> <1125950968.10666.72.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="----------1BDABE1A34D" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.3.2 (20050629) at top-hosting.cz X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.138 tagged_above=-999 required=6 tests=[AWL=-0.069, BAYES_50=0.001, PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.097, WEIRD_PORT=0.109] X-Spam-Level: * X-Archives-Salt: 87a93543-835b-43a6-bb49-8ae1b55d6773 X-Archives-Hash: 3d3e985c52ead3e3baa00aa839181c2f ------------1BDABE1A34D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A5.9.2005, 22:09:28, Stuart Herbert wrote: > I kept PHP5 masked for those 14 months, and (as Jakub and others can > confirm) most of the feedback has been limited to "unmask that > puppy" (sometimes put in stronger terms ;-) There were some bugs from > users who had found issues, but not many. Well, yeah - and the same goes for e.g. MySQL-4.1; the only thing you get f= rom p.masking popular packages is a be-weekly bug like "WTH is this still maske= d, upstream says it's stable and best version released yet which everyone shou= ld upgrade to" ;p Real testing from users comes when it goes to ~arch, then they start scream= ing "hell, it broke my box, why isn't this p.masked, it's so buggy!" :) So, unless we have a *lot more* devs to do thorough testing of p.masked ebu= ilds (totally unfeasible to test all the PHP5 features e.g., if you have some 3 people in php herd), then it's largely up to users to do the testing in ~ar= ch. p.mask ebuilds will be tested by really *few* users, so most of the bugs wi= ll stay unnoticed until this is moved to ~arch. > Rather than unmask the packages before they were read, I changed to > another approach. I moved the work out of Portage into an overlay > instead. This worked well. It has attracted a bunch of regulars to > #gentoo-apache who have spent the last few months finding the bugs that > existed, and making sure that they're fixed and stay fixed. It looks > likely that we'll get some new devs out of that too :) Absolutely. The overlay made the whole thing get into portage *much* faster then all those months in p.mask. -- Best regards, Jakub Moc mailto:jakub@gentoo.org GPG signature: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dget&search=3D0xCEB= A3D9E Primary key fingerprint: D2D7 933C 9BA1 C95B 2C95 B30F 8717 D5FD CEBA 3D9E ... still no signature ;) ------------1BDABE1A34D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDHV/xhxfV/c66PZ4RAmo+AKChAMtY6QM/puaS6Ux/hJN2BbGriwCfX5t+ Du4KWdDE9PXEOodIp8eHdDM= =Xb07 -----END PGP MESSAGE----- ------------1BDABE1A34D-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list