From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Loyc6-0003QG-Ip for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:28:10 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C3A40E08BF; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f220.google.com (mail-bw0-f220.google.com [209.85.218.220]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792FBE08BF for ; Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2567280bwz.34 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:28:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ESrgr86ErGfnG2AtlM1HG7YcGx1Kg3gqlfY3JyvOJQg=; b=rYyNL1kvZ7AABHzylANjW+pvx7htQ0B14DAEz4+am5VLzNw5MQLGMdJ7HsN8znG6xz xtEDL8fjaZC9VfYk/EZRU9ZKH0KIMvkGj6O1e8waZw/rmX8z95dMVFscQ2dx4kxGBMVU xGz2Yohz4vcCpBbhO8c3pVZFVFxa54+8XXZn8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=l51fvc7L6s0WrZJyklIzzXy6VRS51Dg2EcPsSw/LLMnrxubtfah3Z0zVTe9Yh5Fd4a lwDRlkqfaW4AH5Xw6l6s+mewKuR19vfayb1LUZr22hsIJwKDYK0sh6B7gInpJkAAxkhq 6eDQVDH6uGFz2Sy2SWZzG06Dko7S02hpaJ9ac= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.58.9 with SMTP id e9mr2769906bkh.23.1238585286811; Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:28:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090401093002.167896408B@smtp.gentoo.org> References: <20090401093002.167896408B@smtp.gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: <75f3dce80904010428l4a1a5d95w8ad072a185b14e70@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for April From: David Leverton To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 61e07bb5-1ddf-4f50-9810-89d261c23eea X-Archives-Hash: 2c604b7c146a6f879af6893e044e05ed 2009/4/1 Mike Frysinger : > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! =C2=A0Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. I would like the Council to discuss the matter of Portage repeatedly changing behaviour in ebuild-visible ways without an EAPI bump or even an announcement that anything changed. Notable examples include .lzma support in unpack (bug 207193), the change in pkg_* phase ordering (bug 222721) and the preservation of timestamps during merge (bug 264130). It is quite frustrating to spend considerable effort determining Portage's behaviour and matching it in Paludis, only to find a few months later that Portage changed and now users are getting broken packages if not broken systems because ebuilds are starting to rely on the new rules. (The /really/ hilarious part is that certain people then accuse /us/ of being "uncooperative" and "not caring about compatibility".) This needs to be dealt with if Gentoo is ever going to take the idea of PMS, or indeed EAPI itself, at all seriously.