From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I98tY-0000Pe-SY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:20:29 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6D0JUsc017965; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:19:30 GMT Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6D0HHoB015192 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:17:17 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost-12225.cs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F991951A for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:17:17 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mailhost.cs.tu-berlin.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 12224) with ESMTP id 28744-24 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:17:16 +0200 (MEST) 15849 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (i59F773D8.versanet.de [89.247.115.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: buchholz) by mailhost.cs.tu-berlin.de (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:17:16 +0200 (MEST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6A752AC1698E43C28C8DEFEFF0562BB8@twi31o2.org> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <6A752AC1698E43C28C8DEFEFF0562BB8@twi31o2.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75C450B6-4E1C-4AE0-9424-8BD6B88F8AA8@gentoo.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Robert Buchholz Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:17:11 +0200 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cs.tu-berlin.de (including spamassassin) X-Archives-Salt: 7acf76ed-56e4-4c18-9436-2fd5cbbbe009 X-Archives-Hash: 127fdb4dc47783d79d97ef4d0491f429 Am 13.07.2007 um 00:43 schrieb Chrissy Fullam: > The -dev mailing list would be the list for development discussion. > The > reason it does not replace -core is because it would still be open > to be > viewed by the public. > Many devs have stated that they do not wish to read -dev presently > due to > the quantity of off topic emails, or at least those that are not > productive. > These devs would be able to continue to read -dev and reduce the > volume of > email to wade through to only those pertinent to the topic at hand. > Non-devs would still subscribe and post, but those posts must first be > approved by ANY developer. ... > The -project mailing list would be the place for the unmoderated and > potentially off topic correspondence. I don't think anyone is > married to the > name. It also is a required list for a dev to join. Isn't that two solutions for one problem? Creating the -project list is a way to discuss off-topic non-technical stuff on a place other than -dev. Why would we need to enforce moderation on the -dev list along with that? I have to second the voices that a lot of user mails are productive. I did not do any stats, but I feel that most mails to -dev are currently by Gentoo devs anyway, so it will not seriously reduce the amount of mail in total. As far as the usually fast technical discussions are concerned, my problem here is that users are in practical kept out of the discussion by the mere delay of their mails. We might experience double replies, users writing replies which get dumped -- because someone else already wrote the same mail 30 minutes ago and it did not get approved until he wrote his mail. If you ever spent 30 minutes figuring out a problem in Mac OS X and filing a decent bug report on their bug tracker just to find out it gets DUPed, but you could not know before because the search is not public, you know what I am talking about. My imagination of this would be: Create the project list for open discussion and restrict the *topic* range, not the *participant* range of this list. We can evaluate whether the SNR did improve enough after some time. Regards, Robert -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list