From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 579FF158041 for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 15:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C4078E2A42; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 15:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31756E2A0E for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2024 15:05:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <759431674cf90b42a9f003369a3bd5f248091b0b.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: banning "AI"-backed (LLM/GPT/whatever) contributions to Gentoo From: =?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_G=C3=B3rny?= To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2024 16:04:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Gentoo Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-wn8/reU6ediZuiMBx4/R" User-Agent: Evolution 3.50.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: cffbcacb-d058-4f7c-ab36-c8cc9cac3d9d X-Archives-Hash: d7b7edca01c73a111cd2a676ed1082f0 --=-wn8/reU6ediZuiMBx4/R Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2024-03-08 at 03:59 +0000, Duncan wrote: > Robin H. Johnson posted on Tue, 5 Mar 2024 06:12:06 +0000 as excerpted: >=20 > > The energy waste argument is also one that needs to be made carefully: >=20 > Indeed. In a Gentoo context, condemning AI for the computative energy= =20 > waste? Maybe someone could argue that effectively. That someone isn't= =20 > Gentoo. Something about people living in glass houses throwing stones... Could you support that claim with actual numbers? Particularly, on average energy use specifically due to use of Gentoo on machines vs. energy use of dedicated data centers purely for training LLMs? I'm not even talking of all the energy wasted as a result of these LLMs at work. --=20 Best regards, Micha=C5=82 G=C3=B3rny --=-wn8/reU6ediZuiMBx4/R Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQFGBAABCgAwFiEEx2qEUJQJjSjMiybFY5ra4jKeJA4FAmXsepoSHG1nb3JueUBn ZW50b28ub3JnAAoJEGOa2uIyniQOingIAMY9SFe0ROqGEAps3wdq+ndNdZGkhalp qaqx3s5Vl98Pf7EMTA15fiu+rUDLT413UeJlw9zCHHzawr/xEqFuCKEbmPV2BfuE 7CVCYTETSmIi1XlOfq/oFpVmjyszqsfswDJKt0V9HCWmqzEkChpfBDNtAdyQidl4 0vfPlgDo5vkyDOPlkSALPuJXPvxKxmbgN0I7AxqbkUrlLrQnNkPB5iHHSbcWp0qf GL2q4bM/Y8JpFTvF/tEyKsHBFtH9+AIkoO08MEkOhFBb1nng1Br01BqJmom8vRLJ yZ1IWFL5vG1kamtb+GUP80SRQyh89NilOyKgllmcNQ1wcWocHym0TFQ= =K6iK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-wn8/reU6ediZuiMBx4/R--