From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FpCnT-0005an-JG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:23:16 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5ANJ0fd001179; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:19:00 GMT Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5AN6AKA015315 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:06:10 GMT Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id s18so657960wxc for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:06:13 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fr9uRuT0mbKmPI9zIrDaSAU37DbO5sdhQTY9W5LNc4zP1/ix+/s9CWWF/Iy8GmnbHHvuWrJwTIhhkRmF0Umyb4K7a7sqMv9UpHGLo9WG0QTthZ4HxzS+NKbsiE+61WpIxv0KKp19YUOjEAw4odscxaHBCKMPntcFPiXhCFYgdys= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr4849628wxb; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.96.6 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7573e9640606101319m2eb76083h2ef81a9db5895796@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:19:33 -0700 From: "Richard Fish" Sender: richard.j.fish@gmail.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1149796286.19443.76.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <1149804545.19443.112.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060609110801.GD29635@osgiliath> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9ec821d2e7529db1 X-Archives-Salt: c5375207-404c-4315-b33c-b11cfd0ba139 X-Archives-Hash: 3c351c28c24c207c1152bc1df79426c7 On 6/9/06, Peter wrote: > > Firstly, I think it is very clear that anything in sunrise is experimental > or not supported in the main gentoo tree. That's fine! I don't think any > user who goes through the trouble to set up an overlay would miss that > point. You can't go to o.g.o and not see the disclaimers. And, anyone who > goes through the trouble to svn the overlay, edit make.conf, etc., would > not be an ignorant newbie (no disrespect to newbies intended). Anyone who > fetches the sunrise overlay would know exactly what he/she intends to do > and why. Much different than emerge --sync with keyword x86. Recently on -user there was someone who couldn't build any gnome apps, because they had an obsolete gnome2.eclass in their overlay. This user certainly didn't know enough about portage or ebuilds to be using an overlay like that. Besides, users frequently do imprudent things to their systems. They will break their systems by unmasking p.masked stuff (I've done this, so I am in this group), add dangerous CFLAGS based on random forum or wiki pages, and use ~arch packages and then rant about any bugs that show up. As you've already said, having it on a *.gentoo.org domain gives some people a higher level of comfort with it, regardless of any dislaimers. I have no idea what the quality of the sunrise overlay will be, but it seems likely to be worse than the currently p.masked stuff. If getting sunrise is easy enough, and a substantial number of users start using it, supporting those users could become very difficult. -Richard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list