From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5021138334 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C4A0E07EE; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avasout05.plus.net (avasout05.plus.net [84.93.230.250]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB60FE07D0 for ; Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.6.147] ([212.159.46.162]) by smtp with ESMTP id mMs6fSEzU05ijmMs7fMS0v; Sun, 05 Aug 2018 18:31:15 +0100 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=QJJGuDDL c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=RuViaDnnNG9rfPLW4VJocg==:117 a=RuViaDnnNG9rfPLW4VJocg==:17 a=13zjGPudsaEWiJwPRgMA:9 a=7mOBRU54AAAA:8 a=pM99otbpDHkjeTfSciQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=TKIgB0KzeH1lGbDJDPsA:9 a=ONNS8QRKHyMA:10 a=wa9RWnbW_A1YIeRBVszw:22 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180623025046.djmsv44moxuqkv6t@proprietary-killer> <1529738520.21177.5.camel@gentoo.org> <20180623073030.wdrjfrcv3swqwfkx@proprietary-killer> <77476CA5-628E-44D2-8BC1-63718DA34B12@gentoo.org> From: "M. 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J. Everitt" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <7569f0a3-a05d-6e1a-7175-696944668759@iee.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Idea for a new project: gentoo-libs References: <20180623025046.djmsv44moxuqkv6t@proprietary-killer> <1529738520.21177.5.camel@gentoo.org> <20180623073030.wdrjfrcv3swqwfkx@proprietary-killer> <77476CA5-628E-44D2-8BC1-63718DA34B12@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: --qlJ4SAbc8u7MCywBcGSFznJJagiCJVM9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-GB On 05/08/18 18:24, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM Alec Warner wrote: >> >> Part of my frustration is that seemingly "anything open source related= >> can be held in Gentoo" and I'm somewhat against that as I feel it >> dilutes the Gentoo mission. We are here to make a distribution, not >> maintain random libraries. If you want to do that feel free; but I >> don't see a need for that work to be associated with Gentoo. >> > Honestly, other than maybe some prestige I don't really get the point > of hosting random software in Gentoo either. These days getting a > repo on github or any of its 47 competitors is a few clicks. You have > zero overhead from a governance standpoint, and a dev can of course > stick ebuilds in the main repository with zero interference. It seems > a lot cleaner from a copyright/etc standpoint as well. > > Even openrc is hosted outside of Gentoo these days, which makes perfect= sense. > > With the distro as a whole it is a bit more complex, though honestly > I'd love to see us get to a point where the whole thing can be > SECURELY hosted entirely off-infra as well, even if we still chose to > run our own infra. I just see it as a way to both provide options to > our users and ourselves. For the latter, being able to host anything > on an outside service means that if some component of infra goes down > we could have mirrors already running and pulling from infra, or if > for some reason somebody sues us or roots us or whatever we can pick > up and move without much fuss. > > Running your own wiki/bugzilla/lists/etc was about the only way to do > things in the 90s/etc, but these days there are other options... > "Cloud-based Gentoo" - yeah I see *absolutely no issues* with this ... --qlJ4SAbc8u7MCywBcGSFznJJagiCJVM9z-- --VwA99WORxRUpbyu8xloFS5nrY6yCK5t4Y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJbZzRiAAoJEGPnxnn01DHdY9QQAJi1L4dkuqeBgHztTWWl6kzk ffI3+0ZiOZpGwFH/cB/MI/JgJ70DHLgWB/0EFOfuz2tZEK7fbj84Sqb1djdXrSTc vtFLtOq0/AhBdiXZZEoMzHzUsyhoDw0OujP8e7ilFMD79JoTROc2JaF2hxQMwz4x cUEDFLB1tMzp9HA2gZnMmXUhqh5Wn5315ljU4CQs8lUJtqHJ7lc7rGd7zYer3NbN LDSeE0+y/dtuVJrI4eWbw7t0Fda3Sil3ftrIqtNCCo6jw/f8LqvnNOycT6fvQ6yZ cCN2gj3LcTMjqBy/gQ4cT3B8CZ92ppGW3qsyQ1XF4b6Dekjxv7WSxDIZgqS29lC+ J9WfhzW0X95qPHIGwgKhR+Ks6Hg8VDZpfxL/ZwDj00vgPj33MZidTNrKwMKvJDIZ RxMiDsa81cpeatVXijFUj/yeRAh3acVZORcxHKRxwbmBM9f2uNAUrZMtCoGBx8R1 6rm/HT7tuNbeUtJxjAcXXqeERNNFYAn33o+SkBVM/4e7TwV0xII0dsQFaX6ZB+4C K/EuAdkrZ2hWESTv9Kzie5L7j20U/oLH3LTukcWTtLTPbuB1mmCxM7KV+TkFFXKH h3b9Ex4R7ZNs/dVmNLOgPmYmnyxd9HvDdfIXU597CSOZEo9bVze+By71O+HF3ohb REskp6hMCykJMv1/9flW =VtFK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VwA99WORxRUpbyu8xloFS5nrY6yCK5t4Y--