Hey,

On 12/9/19 10:17 AM, Michał Górny wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think the policies proposed in GLEP 81 [1] were overenthusiastic
> and they don't stand collision with sad Gentoo developer reality. 
> Instead of improving the quality of resulting packages, they rather
> hamper their adoption and cause growing frustration.
>
> The problems I see today are:
>
>
> 2. Mailing list reviews don't serve their original purpose.
>
> The original purpose of mailing list reviews was to verify that
> the developers use new packages correctly.  For example, Michael
> Orlitzky has found a lot of unnecessary home directories specified.
> Of course, that works only if people submit *ebuilds* for review.
>
> However, at some points developers arbitrarily decided to send only
> numbers for review.  This defeats the purpose of the review in the first
> place.

The problem: There is still no any official documentation about using
acct-, and reviewing it was/is pretty much left on the shoulders of one
man. It's easy to say on hindsight it was implemented too quickly.


>
>
> 4. Assignment mechanism is not collision-prone.
>
> The secondary goal of mailing list reviews is to prevent UID/GID
> collisions.  Sadly, it doesn't work there either.  Sometimes two people
> request the same UID/GID, and only sometimes somebody else notices.
> In the end, people have hard time figuring out which number is the 'next
> free', sometimes they discover the number's been taken when somebody
> else commits it first.

If I remember correctly, at one point it was agreed not to paste ebuilds
because they all just looked similar, but just ask for IDs?


>
>
> All that considered, I'd like to open discussion how we could improve
> things.
>
> My proposal would be to:
>
> a. split the UID/GID range into 'high' (app) and 'low' (system)
> assignments, 'high' being >=100 and 'low' <100 (matching Apache suEXEC
> defaults),
>
> b. UIDs/GIDs in the 'high' range can be taken arbitrarily (recommending
> taking highest free), while in the 'low' range must be approved by QA,
>
> c. no review requirement for the 'high' range, just choose your UID/GID
> straight of uid-gid.txt and commit it,
>
> d. strong recommendation to use matching UID/GID for the same user/group
> name.
>
> WDYT?
>
>
> [1] https://www.gentoo.org/glep/glep-0081.html


I think none of the above really prevent collisions for unmotivated
people. They also still require manual update of uid-gid.txt, and it
can't be expected everyone does it. Now this is not of a big interest to
devs, but I believe committing non-dev acct's will get hard here,
because there might be some "lag" with their contributions vrt. the
current situation.


Honestly I'd say just put -1 on all acct- packages then let sys admins
modify them locally to whatever they need. I feel like this whole GLEP
just serves the minority while making many other contributors uneasy.

-- juippis