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Wed, 12 Sep 2018 22:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180909143221.21d784d02f51623e8c57c545@gentoo.org> <1536510660.863.9.camel@gentoo.org> <20180910074539.GA6512@baraddur.perfinion.com> <0d8b7f02-9c38-969c-413b-69d4dee6ca89@gentoo.org> <20180912085649.GA16516@baraddur.perfinion.com> From: Thomas Deutschmann Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=whissi@gentoo.org; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFc4iggBEACg/drq2pkXyE0mO7cqfaH5UX9D2A8uaBWHcgVPZdf+bVlc7gT1b/TJgFBO yCecB1j9ReWWAE55nwraFL7+5XofRnwVzC3PglN/M/F02fudCeEkFfDtH65DZ67LV0QqXOZ7 e2aqD1NxJM1ydcehIoxgESiv8ctMCcb5Jui2A7vddxEBouQqJKDVqXqANEiBrtd0x4+noRC3 07BN80SgUiwuSJp8Y9+LSdKWGxiDxFAQygDlLWu1QIOg2PUjrM1ZtKCii8IcbnhsEPZj0jcQ f/omIHaksyfMdx6lHfSUZzzLQm41nhWlgYUxzW4D8Nh+ka51FIIWRWwNJTXQNpU8s32AT+rr K2hyNY0F+hnCRc0gUJtAACPZYNYNMlTCIb5yLKo5qoRKcHkAI3vAPEsPO8nmpYaxhI+9PwWJ 9BMaOZ0PjN5P5p0ierOd3yjuu0CIx+yirAvZMZYLx3HylFmuIke5GfcfzTuZhgRL1yoaftCH B0zTc1Rmfgk5dLOPeApgH4E8k3K7OIagzpMXjPsyvdBdI2z/j8unZNvPT5uMCAA9yP7TxijH JeNa6MZyDebzfF+QTK1tOL5pWZolCFKOULHIWK9nX2B3/JJ4r7+5wUmob5UCjKCxjK9xunY5 8TzbpaV517MaLVk1kYuFRptqwRYRJ45l1+qcYwkhUcC+qg06PQARAQABzStUaG9tYXMgRGV1 dHNjaG1hbm4gPHRob21hc0BkZXV0c2NobWFubi5iaXo+wsGABBMBCgAqAhsAAh4BAheABQkH hiUCBQsJCAcDBRUKCQgLBRYDAgEABQJXOfYKAhkBAAoJEFhJfuUdXXSlwnQQAIDi4tsMwzw5 ZY3wSs+E6c37W6i2WGgHvN6MOCxR6qthV3fVL3Q4E4EV8DoGHLLA8rs/OYbJs1aSxF8Omlys +sFiVysrMz1NNL7MGbZ/Ov1CpQqRH+6LFzVVcf3dBGqsI3kXg9aUNw2zETIj0ZyCb+VKZ3yC 1DOVFlmGjaH3DtPCJrfEGfcaweFyn2Azljaot9Dg0ExzmAqwohESQNCfSBYhUC0Mc0HiRtzd 1pTIVSmFDTToztnofsLrkMpciNGaj6D7Mm1hZpI41K4IQ6ZKcJDtWduisYNzgafVWvxtGhpY oAVWmO353WafGpbeoP6IVbHQhIcS1JuN1Sn+lM4QtV0GgSgL5j3OtKmRKNiAcZpHX800TX2V 8yUZN3dj2PMU7fzdnVM0MXNwAvOdcckco5zVExn3OHfTxyrUIyEysj01EKCQdZerWjRLnQ7B QR4ff851B+Sl92tVMPBch8WYVZNTwDzsqzKROAe2UnOCTQoVY7OXh6gRblqGuzllMyQ2bZUP V5XLKDpmysb/y43QKSY5aeO8SOKOv+b8kWAXSKzzXnteErhKeAlDm1PKuAfkjq4swOe3nci4 r1r34Ss03Xgt3cJ6Ep3K87qjlLLDwRVyGEgyDiDItHdyEyLGA44pmWLAJzttHMSt3d9/FsTI 2jwwH9GRFg3oMS9PsEURYIU8zsFNBFc4ixMBEADHHlLOkftcSY+jWd9Vb3uHpPGIpztqU/jd 4mPZvrQGIlZYMO+uGtJuDQVdohQHugNvvnr9hfBYDGlhyAYlRIGkFLdZbsim+An+FGr5+f/P tHikILc0X+FbO8bAc0OjNfUlFaTXeKdEBTtdNiO+0WYWw8CtgTEpng+178q4UnTBae1QiBh5 3YmW0H4t8HQEN/NDuVXEREQXwOtJcP9fxDVdP/ynwHbGajx+qbWaQhcHo57XXIsojH5XoEr9 yvviQW6F2tzp/i88YQ1snTVI0G39TzQO2EJbSQpYUptI0PGSUlMbkm4i46XHFO0q15aQSfAg Eh5NWWzwVel7qDO1YmXb49nhg60MmceAhk+1VGxpuA3RNl6hebYzYdQplDo8EJp1MCt+Z4Lt /tzb+smTFRMyE80QzehOSyvIWCSoGmWY4Njc90AV/P/hSXYQqbuRb3sB3PlPGda7ZwPsoh2A WZU331jeBWwB9YnUJFXP4jGbnpXjHO3+RkRL2A39ZzFki751sPpC3jv0sxJhLBOkJlC+VI/7 t5ODzWElimA8Py1VmZfd2C9eBHYU4Eeay1EN7nl75Hsj2436dH9O45uIl838KNXWd4S+7/P5 NqWir9HjnhQwbaLZdJwJKjzDE9u4JvnAP0gmkqYIaNSAM9WfCA11LavNKJjaJNCc4Zkr2+w4 OQARAQABwsF8BBgBCgAmAhsMFiEExN1pX6cTjyQqoVY4WEl+5R1ddKUFAlrJMcoFCQWj8zcA CgkQWEl+5R1ddKW+Qw/+O/saVmYgBdWDc6Y2BzaOA3kRwixAGjMU2VMO5WifG2WkA1zd0kcY 1nR5XKosu/yLWX1WWde8Wh57BDD418JYMSnNyG976OXAeAgWuzmn+xtM8Tw2bHHCNVfCEqBl yS+lAdrXR3kIiJ/Ebr5EogsEZvVW9gowPoNIrzeXFYKqGGVc5Z4dQDgVRq7jgta6LJgOVYdP z6mrLTdjo4lIlC7U/w/dPBWUd0sn8XmtU5vbAfvgf9dfZtXGYnyI64EGr6I6oVyFj8QO/Ffo G/r+glBettColfcT7IiHUMb9i11Sd/FPsL/0EIHWG+a4JTg3QzAODMHF14BLpuqDElV5HlzX e9LafsH45PH/EvAxCNuOj6P1E4bPOHwD0Fhgia7YXi2OJVes9hWy8IrEgwUEDQQIFtECxdFa nkWlKiYyb9v+nqrjtugh6s6OicvAhnvhESky/QSr747tEnOAFTNYXXtz1BRvTu/tcyBK0m51 jW1Gwax+9ooGCnNEF2KknaW/NyLo4mFdvSOJOehcwOHn73G04GHSQSs6+f8Oy7GOriQCdwao aGduFUuKKOR05r5tstZHpuIW9mlL44LXzGQEEt6INpS0ha2XD28+ojXko2hPt7YgbTqOsFnT 34feWglZ58mWE7UyHEVXYeMIWqtQptgCf5fNc36jGay6gt0aLFlgy48= Organization: Gentoo Foundation, Inc Message-ID: <6c18c6bd-4cf3-dff6-2f20-c021063e01fa@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:55:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:21.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DCOZl8qvMdtCxSvuMepIfo182h2BNW0hN" X-Archives-Salt: 1ab9d3fa-a0f0-47bd-a46a-934b65dfbe01 X-Archives-Hash: 6af542d2d477172de4ca68505fb1d688 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --DCOZl8qvMdtCxSvuMepIfo182h2BNW0hN Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8DzLdFkCZzBfe04pfZ8tVZ9iDuLpQsTOg"; protected-headers="v1" From: Thomas Deutschmann To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <6c18c6bd-4cf3-dff6-2f20-c021063e01fa@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing policy about -Werror References: <20180909143221.21d784d02f51623e8c57c545@gentoo.org> <1536510660.863.9.camel@gentoo.org> <20180910074539.GA6512@baraddur.perfinion.com> <0d8b7f02-9c38-969c-413b-69d4dee6ca89@gentoo.org> <20180912085649.GA16516@baraddur.perfinion.com> In-Reply-To: --8DzLdFkCZzBfe04pfZ8tVZ9iDuLpQsTOg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2018-09-12 16:50, Rich Freeman wrote: > There is also the case where we want these warnings to block > installation, because the risk of there being a problem is too great. I really disagree with that. So many devs have already said multiple times in this thread that "-Werror" is only turning existing warnings into fatal errors but "-Werror" itself doesn't add any new checks and more often requires "-O3" to be useful. So let's turn this around: Please show us a *real* case within Gentoo where "-Werror" prevented a real problem which wouldn't otherwise being noticed. E.g. show us a package which was merged on user's system, replacing a working previous version of that package causing *real* problems which could have been prevented if package would have set "-Werror". Unless you can do that we don't really need to discuss this. Simply because everyone interested in "-Werror" *can* set that flag via CFLAGS, even just per package, whereas the majority, not interested in this, cannot do the same to filter "-Werror". Nobody advocating for "-Werror" replied to that fact yet. --=20 Regards, Thomas Deutschmann / Gentoo Linux Developer C4DD 695F A713 8F24 2AA1 5638 5849 7EE5 1D5D 74A5 --8DzLdFkCZzBfe04pfZ8tVZ9iDuLpQsTOg-- --DCOZl8qvMdtCxSvuMepIfo182h2BNW0hN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQGTBAEBCgB9FiEEExKRzo+LDXJgXHuURObr3Jv2BVkFAluZmXFfFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDEz MTI5MUNFOEY4QjBENzI2MDVDN0I5NDQ0RTZFQkRDOUJGNjA1NTkACgkQRObr3Jv2 BVmDyAgAij4dYI8rIS2l7y8cTjDZ8bwWuHUdBUsjie7aO/CKdUVBlWu+KYah6T+L E7rEjcP1Iff9DUDdN/EVIA8PGKfp5d51O9SIuN0OpPRAEjEckMUTmvRzhZR1VOKF WURFP040RplYr+SU18upgCoCTljhzXAh8GFHSQPilZGP3wgqKGiEjKQsxCqcCH6z 8huuagcnE5R1Yr1ZMPxEYQvI1LouxBxFwjm0qFcn2Acp0XZIW1aPQYfJQhCivto5 vmFJyezBxF2MhbnTR3G05aQ7naEXodlAw/PpaA80SsqMGcZgKjHzg/WkTMpbAZCb u3EoPKScHgVW8X0Lo8TKlNV3NXNZBg== =BP56 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DCOZl8qvMdtCxSvuMepIfo182h2BNW0hN--