From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8C3C138334 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A52CE09E3; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFCA0E0999 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (c-98-218-46-55.hsd1.md.comcast.net [98.218.46.55]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mjo) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C44FE34B0C1 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 16:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [PATCH 3/3] dev-vcs/hub: migrate to go-module.eclass To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20190911172128.18885-1-williamh@gentoo.org> <20190911172128.18885-4-williamh@gentoo.org> <20190911234815.GA21591@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> <20190912154634.GB23846@whubbs1.dev.av1.gaikai.org> <88094567-323c-6f6a-a1d9-0c1b77ef53e3@gentoo.org> From: Michael Orlitzky Message-ID: <6acd490e-6393-62e4-5d07-71c2a3624417@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:52:31 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 152d4977-0ff8-4d50-b171-dc52d5e1f876 X-Archives-Hash: 7e1f4d9ea2375dd4e47211ad6b81c2e5 On 9/12/19 12:42 PM, Alec Warner wrote: > > In general I don't see bundling as a major problem. In the land of > dynamic binaries, it's a big advantage because you can upgrade libfoo > and all consumers of libfoo get the upgrade upon process restart. This > isn't true for most go programs which are statically linked; so you end > up asking yourself "why should I make a package for every go module?" > One obvious answer is that portage then tracks what packages are > consuming a given module and you can plausibly write a tool that does > things like "moduleX has a security update, please recompile all > packages that DEPEND on moduleX" which seems like a tool people would want. > Subslots do this already. Portage does this already. We have this "tool that people would want," but only if developers can be bothered to package things. > [0] I feel like this is a common idea in Gentoo throughout. Anything new > is bad. Anything that violates norms is bad. Anything that violates the > model we have been using for 20 years is bad. I wish people were more > open to have a discussion without crapping on new ideas quite so thoroughly. This is computer *science*. Some ideas are just wrong, and nothing of value is gained by trying not to hurt the feelings of the flat-earthers.