From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EC7B158089 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 058982BC173; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from james.steelbluetech.co.uk (james.steelbluetech.co.uk [92.63.139.228]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2BE82BC146 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:22:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ukinbox.ecrypt.net (hq2.ehuk.net [10.0.10.2]) by james.steelbluetech.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D66BBFC13 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:22:35 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 james.steelbluetech.co.uk 0D66BBFC13 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ehuk.net; s=default; t=1694470955; bh=LwWgo6KAsctIdZoZvDnKhbGQX3oZup8brTtRH0qyO6c=; h=In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Reply-To:From; b=KAUZyJ8W8qpbMzqYHuVCnpgFOeyXyMFKrlmoWcJhJKaI8nGWLr7JkOdBrsDPXrF9B JJ5rO9xq4rfI1RLuHfsEHLm7w7I3r8qJYtBJQ/BlTopbgyeb5LLeMFHhYRhfSpYVQz StPqMk4vDLz3DeTPpN1ZxdyoVCyESTcVjhZUbHurNUEhyNaAUpGAXXXBIVghA519N6 ykUkYbOs+RgSq5gOB1iYIcXFE9wGPhq0DZp2wo9mr8ZfXjgE97otC91QRSXxBsv6Oz YrKYOaftlSTJ7Ji6/L7RVpEk/5oj2Qti1BbySPHmG1gXNUZ9PWbpsvrZdIuZtAq7bt pMTmJHvPEkZJg== Message-ID: <6aca04641c105c3fc72910fdbb7b6c01.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> In-Reply-To: <87zg1sxu88.fsf@gentoo.org> References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <20230911082243.65aa85f5@Akita> <4128737.ElGaqSPkdT@kona> <20230911084231.73dd619f@Akita> <5848191c-8708-edfe-0c69-eeced3907b0d@gmail.com> <87zg1szc23.fsf@gentoo.org> <5d96d41de2f7057b42b436783678c8c4.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <87zg1sxu88.fsf@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 23:22:35 +0100 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev From: "Eddie Chapman" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.5.2 [SVN] Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang X-Archives-Salt: 224ee8f8-497a-4778-bd30-75557c26acb0 X-Archives-Hash: c52f3e9ec8bef594d1f3ecace77eb692 Sam James wrote: > > "Eddie Chapman" writes: > >> Sam James wrote: >>> >>> Dale writes: >>> >>>> orbea wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 17:29:47 +0200 >>>>> "Andreas K. Huettel" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am Montag, 11. September 2023, 17:22:43 CEST schrieb orbea: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Upstream is maintained still. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev >>>>>>> >>>>>> No, it's not. >>>>>> >>>>> Based on what? It has several commits this year and is currently >>>>> working on both of my systems. Is there something specific showing >>>>> why its not maintained? >>>> >>>> On the link above it says this: >>>> >>>> On 2021-08-20 Gentoo decided to abandon eudev and a new project was >>>> established on 2021-09-14 by Alpine, Devuan and Gentoo >>>> contributors (alphabetical order). >>>> >>>> It seems to have a upstream that is active but no one is >>>> maintaining it on Gentoo.  Basically, it needs a Gentoo maintainer >>>> now.  It would seem given the time span that no one wants to take >>>> it.  >>>> >>>> Like others, I use it but didn't know it wasn't maintained >>>> anymore.  I hope someone will step up but if not, looks like we have >>>> to use udev.  >>> >>> No, see the linked bugs. Someone has to actually make it compatible >>> with the tags API which software is starting to use. >>> >> It seems there is work still ongoing to that end: >> https://github.com/eudev-project/eudev/issues/249 >> > That only adds a stub - which isn't guaranteed to work correctly. But what that boils down to in practise if it actually turns out to be true: user's might have to make a choice between installing some application that uses a new API call not supported by eudev, or installing eudev. I believe portage can handle that just fine, it regularly tells me that there is some package or another that cannot be installed at the same time as some other package. I'm sure I could go and find plenty of other packages in the tree that can be last rites as well, if the inclusion criteria for any given package is that it works with every other package in the tree. >> A quick look at the bug list in the original announcement today, they >> appear to almost all be bugs for Gentoo maintainers to address rather >> than upstream, and one or two it's questionable if they are actually >> bugs. > > I've improved the mask message. Yes that is an improvement. >> I think it is a rather large stretch to claim that upstream is dead, >> the evidence just doesn't show that. >> >> So what's the situation with the current Gentoo maintainers? Have they >> disappeared? I often see on here packages being offered up for grabs. >> Why >> hasn't there been a call to give others the opportunity to volunteer as >> maintainers rather than going straight tolast riting the package? Or >> has that happened and I've missed it, in which case I apologise. > > There was a year ago or so and nothing really came out of it. But see > above wrt 'tags'. A year is a long time, there might well now be people willing to take over maintaining it that were not willing to 1 year ago, if that is what is required.