From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I97RK-0003u8-8l for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:47:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6CMjw1w011953; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:45:58 GMT Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org (c-24-6-168-204.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.168.204]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6CMhuVA009638 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 22:43:57 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DCA2480E2 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:31:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Y8w2e0q4syi for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from draco (draco.twi-31o2.org [192.168.0.12]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4CC248079 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:31:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chrissy Fullam" To: References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] ML changes Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:43:59 -0700 Message-ID: <6A752AC1698E43C28C8DEFEFF0562BB8@twi31o2.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4073 In-Reply-To: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> Thread-Index: AcfEwxj5S6tgKYSPSV+mrDVC5PibfgAC68iw X-Archives-Salt: 7d809aaf-7032-4e92-8935-352cacaa1744 X-Archives-Hash: 4a346df85df9e505e66d761948df58ea On 7/12/07, Mike Doty wrote: > All- > > We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to > where only devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post. > devs who moderate in bad posts will be subject to moderation > themselves. in addition the gentoo-project list will be created to take over what -dev frequently becomes. > there is no requirement to be on this new list. This was discussed in June's council meeting, then brought back up at today's council meeting, and slotted for voting in next months meeting. I do not think one could consider it a knee jerk reaction when there is so much time between conception, discussion, and voting. Having been active in those meetings maybe this will clarify it some for others... this is what I derived of it: The -core mailing list is for information too sensitive to be sent to the public. Does this information stay confidential until it's appropriate release time, no not always, but it is based on a sound principle so the list stays. The -dev mailing list would be the list for development discussion. The reason it does not replace -core is because it would still be open to be viewed by the public. Many devs have stated that they do not wish to read -dev presently due to the quantity of off topic emails, or at least those that are not productive. These devs would be able to continue to read -dev and reduce the volume of email to wade through to only those pertinent to the topic at hand. Non-devs would still subscribe and post, but those posts must first be approved by ANY developer. The method of contact has not been documented/discussed, one could presume IRC or email or even that one of the hundreds of developers might be active at that moment and decide to release that post. An additional method discussed was to have all non-dev emails on a timeout, pick a number of hours, and then the email if not moderated would be released. (non-dev sends his email, time period expires and no one booted it, so the email rolls through) The -project mailing list would be the place for the unmoderated and potentially off topic correspondence. I don't think anyone is married to the name. It also is a required list for a dev to join. The moderation of -dev would be done by any developer who saw fit to release the email sent from a non-dev. The release of "bad emails" would be addressed by devrel. What makes an email "bad" would be decided based on the principles of the Code of Conduct. See http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml Hope this helps. Kind regards, Christina Fullam Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | GWN Author -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list