From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 24BEC13832E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03B2E21C12C; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (omr-a005e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 001BAE0B8D for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.77]) by omr-a005e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id D44CE3800093 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.52] (0x5b3139322e3136382e312e35325d [71.122.242.106]) by mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 2B31F3800008C; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Packages up for grabs To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20160806211255.GI12988@foo.stuge.se> <49994385-FEB7-4951-B324-ED1BC66899D4@gentoo.org> <20160807073824.GA1030@daphne> <20160808013213.15ca7982@katipo2.lan> From: james Message-ID: <69e31db4-c066-ab81-909a-931c3f983a18@verizon.net> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 12:36:14 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd4d57a7618f437e X-AOL-IP: 71.122.242.106 X-Archives-Salt: 26efb414-3c32-4439-b0df-0db178181ce4 X-Archives-Hash: 051e16ec8b16454b812bff02e2018fb8 On 08/07/2016 09:06 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 07/08/2016 15:32, Kent Fredric wrote: >>> Let them use java* codes, as that is what all the universities are >>>> teaching and promoting. I agree >>>> with gentoo proper on severely restricting java*, on gentoo-proper, >>>> but that sort of thing is killing gentoo and just appears to the open >>>> world as a filter mechanism to keep out and go elsewhere, snoot. >>>> There are just too many exciting and useful codes out there running >>>> java. >> "All" ? Some. And the dominance and focus on Java is itself telling of >> the quality and type of the education provider. >> >> Some education providers may not touch Java at all, and focus >> predominantly on C. >> >> You can't satisfy everyone out of the box. >> > > > I have no idea where James gets his information from, but I suspect it's > a niche market where uni students do "clustering" - whatever that is. I spend a lot of time "hooping" with college kids in a variety of venues. College kids and adults, from around the world visit the hoop venues in Central Florida. Lots of kids who are not CS majors are involved in coding, and java reigns supreme, imho, as the most often cited programming language they use, because professors and employers alike dictate that on them. Also Just look at the job boards and the new projects springing up on github. Sure python is very popular. But, I cannot think of a single distro that offer java and precludes python, so why not have both. Yes java is popular in rich environments where jobs in the cloud or on an internal cluster contain java codes. Most kids only use the cloud and are not 'full stack' aware or part of the foundation of the resources they code for. > The interesting apps out there are mostly running python, go and > (sometimes) lua. And that's what I observe in my day job - > business/mobile ISP. Look at the job listing on stackoverflow and elsewhere (java) is very popular when they list several programming languages to meet the requirements. I'm not promoting java, at all, but just stating that it is very popular, on new projects (but not all) and it is a large and frequent requirement, dictating by employers. Kids coming out of college want a job, more than anything, and most are having java crammed down their throats. So we should find a way to robustly support those that need java. Nothing is precluding other languages in my message. Personally I avoid java, unless it is critical to a code or family of codes I need to run. hth, James