From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3276B1382C5 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 514B2E099C; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.laposte.net (smtpoutz298.laposte.net [178.22.154.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6C9BE096B for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.laposte.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lpn-prd-vrout010 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACAB4708B9 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:42 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=laposte.net; s=mail0; t=1518109542; bh=Hi+ytqXm/dLjRh34P6HPYW1USZ3eh+uVwsGi427+zKM=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=MN381aCayycT+uqCLWShBvQXkGJnRBORCG7dyyUvtKBAsZuue43NFqt1oX9T2aTYY ctKRZjxfulDj/9Gj5FQkMCobWjgpypyQqmrWdBFaGyFMAXihQFAeVaSyhVptBx+Tzs Jjze0ncc8tWfo2Ua7fcoyL49UQ+q8tXQOPpy4g34w0/TIPXKhObLbMeEB4FyjQHndL H4C6IGqYUEmqY/gwI6Ji+3cAZzd0zc6aaLhOI/MBZvXDtisziJYo2hSc2Cfm/VJ5Ij 2SJGBaVPkgqxs8Le82tl0eTHPbVjLSmZTVupkRwj/aNqZakOd2/jnZkouFEAwhRcIp T+CkBCr385RhA== Received: from smtp.laposte.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lpn-prd-vrout010 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B649470A04 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from lpn-prd-vrin004 (lpn-prd-vrin004.laposte [10.128.63.5]) by lpn-prd-vrout010 (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB99E470AC4 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from lpn-prd-vrin004 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lpn-prd-vrin004 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BECC7141D1 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:37 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.6.32.108] (unknown [193.147.77.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by lpn-prd-vrin004 (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A7B1714D6D for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:37 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Last Rites: Dead X11 packages To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <20180208025428.GA29328@ivybridge.mattst88.com> <1518101512.13652.4.camel@gentoo.org> <20180208150408.64304ba1@red.yakaraplc.local> From: Michael Lienhardt Message-ID: <6781313d-f529-b367-1b5f-974fcf4aa629@laposte.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:05:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180208150408.64304ba1@red.yakaraplc.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-VR-FullState: 0 X-VR-Score: 50 X-VR-Cause-1: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedtfedrudekgdeliecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhf X-VR-Cause-2: ihhlvgemucfntefrqffuvffgnecuuegrihhlohhuthemucehtddtnecuogetfeejfedqtdegucdlhedt X-VR-Cause-3: mdenucfjughrpefuvfhfhffkffgfgggjtgfgsehtjeertddtfeejnecuhfhrohhmpefoihgthhgrvghl X-VR-Cause-4: ucfnihgvnhhhrghrughtuceomhhitghhrggvlhdrlhhivghnhhgrrhgutheslhgrphhoshhtvgdrnhgv X-VR-Cause-5: theqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehfohhsuggvmhdrohhrghenucfkphepudelfedrudegjedrjeejrdduleek X-VR-Cause-6: necurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtpdhhvghloheplgdutddriedrfedvrddutdekngdp X-VR-Cause-7: ihhnvghtpeduleefrddugeejrdejjedrudelkedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmihgthhgrvghlrdhlihgv X-VR-Cause-8: nhhhrghrughtsehlrghpohhsthgvrdhnvghtpdhrtghpthhtohepghgvnhhtohhoqdguvghvsehlihhs X-VR-Cause-9: thhsrdhgvghnthhoohdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-VR-AvState: No X-VR-State: 0 X-VR-State: 0 X-Archives-Salt: fdb7fd3f-01a4-4b82-99cf-e77bbf5c1b97 X-Archives-Hash: 05680a9ed7b8fa64206338ec7fca6422 Il 08/02/2018 16:04, James Le Cuirot ha scritto: >>> Citing Kenneth Hoste at FOSDEM this year: modifying a package >>> without changing its version is a bad idea. >>> His presentation was very good (video included): >>> https://fosdem.org/2 >>> 018/schedule/event/how_to_make_package_managers_cry/ >> >> This isn't so clear cut simple. We build from source at user systems. >> Think of the effect for something like webkit-gtk, chromium, >> libreoffice, etc. > > Exactly and while this package isn't as big as those, it could be > argued that xorg-server is bumped frequently enough that the lingering > dependency would have been flushed out soon enough anyway. It's not > like it's doing any harm. > > I also think that FOSDEM talk was making a different point, aimed at > upstreams in order to help packagers rather than packagers themselves. Thanks for the information and sorry for the noise. I wasn't fully aware of the meaning of the --dynamics-deps and --changed-deps option. I am still not entirely convinced that changing a package after it is committed to the repository cannot do harm: even as a user, I would like to know when and why a package's dependencies changed. But I don't maintain packages so my opinion is not very relevant, and the gentoo guidelines indeed allow to change the dependencies inline. Michael