Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Current unavoidable use of xz utils in Gentoo

["Kévin GASPARD DE RENEFORT" <kevingaspard@koshie.fr>]

Sorry but I wanted to add something to what is written below:

I'll insist as other did before: An other alternative would be to start 
your own overlay, push something to help Gentoo's dev, anything, because 
saying more or less "Do that because actually it's bad" is something 
rarely appreciated from peoples already giving their free time (as in 
free beer), for zero money at the end of the month for it, mostly. Here 
we only see someone that is 100% sure he's right, when responsible*S* 
peoples says he's not. At least, start something, share, propose by 
actions. Then they will listen you a bit further and taking you way more 
seriously, I'm pretty sure of that.

Please, respect that.

Sorry again for my English.

>
> Hello,
>
> After so much reading and seeing almost a dead-end to this talk and 
> from this citation above I had an idea for OP.
>
> 1/ OP is sure that Gentoo and others distro *should* avoid using 
> xz-utils, at all cost.
>
> (IMHO that is a respectable choice, *IF* it's possible without adding 
> tremendous of works while Gentoo's dev could works on something else… 
> Like being sure xz-utils is now safe to use…)
>
> 2/ Gentoo's dev stating that it's:
>
>     a) Non-required, to not say useless.
>
>     b) Would ask a lot of money to extend the infrastructure of Gentoo 
> (two times the compressed file and the new non-xz would take like +30% 
> in size…) and some works in addition for the systems administrators. 
> As someone that had this job for some years, that is not always easy 
> as it looks like and having more works is never fun while you already 
> have some cooking… specially when you are not paid for this.
>
>     c) Would ask a *LOT* of works for Gentoo's devs, ebuild mainteneurs…
>
>     d) For, from Gentoos's dev opinion, something that only a very few 
> users will actually use, without speaking about adding a layer of 
> complexity in every process, from installing Gentoo or maintaining the 
> packages. Looks like an awful jobs to be honest.
>
> If OP is really that sure that Gentoo's dev are having a cavalier 
> attitude, non-thinking enough about security in this subject, while 
> (sorry but that's true) not paying much respect to the works into the 
> community (Gentoo and free software in general)… Well:
>
> Fork Gentoo, or any other distros, start a LFS…
>
> I mean, this is *free software* (as in freedom), what makes you not 
> starting your own project with peoples sharing your point-of-view ?
>
> Some debian's user didn't liked the coming of SystemD, some made 
> Devian (not even know if it's still around, but that is a simple 
> example). Don't some *BSD distribution were borne for technical 
> different point-of-view ? Yes, some did and are still here, since 
> decades.
>
> I think, IMHO, you should try to see if peoples around are having the 
> same philosophy as you, if you find a bunch of peoples having times 
> and willing to do it.
>
> I suppose you have some knowledge, but I can only assume, maybe you 
> don't have enough, could take years even if you have already these. 
> Even more if you start from 0.
>
> If you are alone, you have two choices:
>
> 1/ Do like Slackware, create as a lone-wolf your own distribution.
>
> 2/ Accept the idea that your idea is maybe not true, or good.
>
> When a lot of peoples state that you are wrong, it doesn't means you 
> are all the time. But at the same time, you were explained more than 
> once that it's not a good idea, a really better way or they (Gentoo's 
> dev) have other matter to take care of. Maybe Gentoo's dev are wrong. 
> But in my case, I'll keep my side for the peoples that has proven 
> theirs skills by their works. For more than 20 years, now.
>
> That is just my opinion. You don't like it ? Fork it, find an 
> alternative OR accept your faith. Or change for a distribution sharing 
> your opinion about that.
>
> PS : Sorry for my English.
>
> Regards,
> GASPARD DE RENEFORT Kévin
>
>