From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1G8H7Z-0003Lg-7B for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:50:49 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k72DmnWv017636; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:48:49 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k72DkEwv004622 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 13:46:15 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d42so1604047pyd for ; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:46:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jNZjb5qxBdgJxTuAGWp+mTBzzUJS7I7CWM4WlBEPgikACfsZOOtrWMeLiDe6simHaePKBA64Ppy+eioa2FYQSPFq78b5oSqBhCcelnXWuW+AMbQ+stX0s4qCu6sY1PE9otv1bLMNemtmFGubjjJE3c5B7T0CTPlbYSjz6k4jgnA= Received: by 10.35.61.2 with SMTP id o2mr1479716pyk; Wed, 02 Aug 2006 06:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.19 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Aug 2006 06:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <623652d50608020646r28ebb1bcqeb79b84b9a6b303e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:46:14 +0100 From: "Chris Bainbridge" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed) In-Reply-To: <200608020224.29733.carlo@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46059ce10607301928g2ddf667q326d930ffacb81b9@mail.gmail.com> <200607302252.27370.vapier@gentoo.org> <200608020224.29733.carlo@gentoo.org> X-Archives-Salt: 94636490-a4ed-4b4d-ba76-78adc98f130b X-Archives-Hash: 4d84f7575a3ac872fc4c37c84edb5301 On 02/08/06, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > On Monday 31 July 2006 04:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:28, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > > 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency > > > they desire, contributing to gentoo casually. > > > > load up your browser and check out how many bugs are assigned > > to 'maintainer-wanted@gentoo.org' > > This isn't the problem. We'll never can maintain all this stuff - given the > number of people we're. We need more devs - just to clean up the current tree > and maintain it properly at it's current size one- or two hundred (having > fluctuation in mind) more guys wouldn't harm. The problem is more that we > have devs who constantly add (arbitrary) stuff to the tree, instead cleaning > out and caring for unmaintained stuff, before adding something new. The real problem which you're hinting at is that developer interest is transitory. Nobody thinks "Hell, I'll just add loads of odd crap to the tree and then ignore it", it just happens that people suddenly become interested in some software (maybe for a project, or client..), use it for a while, and then stop using it. Now they are still listed as a maintainer but don't bother version bumping or bug fixing, since they no longer have an interest in the package. Despite this, people keep posting patches to bugzilla, which are ignored (they are lots of user bug reports with simple patch fixes attached that never make it into the tree). The "maintainer for ever" model is broken; hopefully the community maintainer model that Sunrise is encouraging will prove better over time. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list