From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FoNkV-00074Q-La for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:52:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id k58GpqJM003708; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:51:52 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k58GmAaG022523 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 16:48:10 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x31so703393pye for ; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEu23PG0L11T8u6ThBbcWhwAK6hn/4Eciq8gJO+bpVjOhZUPEE0MS/MUiMPsYaXaabiM23ftMCjsys6lBwMYzeLFzADiAePMvECASWSxh1FBeCC/Pdw1AMK/sNwqtEpn0cgif8+00rd58KMscbPbvOB4G3/Rn5CJ2iPJH4G5x34= Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr1255491pyi; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.12.19 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:48:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <623652d50606080948i4a16f875tdfd4931d9a4bc1c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:48:09 +0100 From: "Chris Bainbridge" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [ANNOUNCE] Project Sunrise - Gentoo User Overlay In-Reply-To: <1149781533.18059.30.camel@rivendell> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1149772819.19443.10.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> <20060608093213.e0ccb189.tcort@gentoo.org> <20060608144145.GA7696@cerberus.oppresses.us> <44883E56.7050506@gentoo.org> <1149781533.18059.30.camel@rivendell> X-Archives-Salt: c86235d5-9b18-4cf7-b005-e9eeb0efd067 X-Archives-Hash: 111f4d84c6430d3a2ca64de11ad7ce5f On 08/06/06, foser wrote: > I don't think the problem with maintainer-wanted ebuilds is that they > are crappy, but that there is no dev willing to maintain them and ensure > their quality over time. 'sunrise' (who came up with that name ? cheap > asian poetry attempt) doesn't change that by adding it to an 'official' > overlay. One of the problems is that developer interest is transitory. The current system suggests that a developer take personal responsibility for ebuilds they maintain, and they maintain them until another developer steps up. It would be nice (and I guess this is one of the aims of sunrise) if there were a way for people to contribute ebuilds that they are interested in at the time, but don't want to promise to maintain forever. Think about wikipedia - how many pages would there be if every page creator had to guarantee that they would maintain each page indefinately? The time it takes to actually apply fixes etc. is another point. Bugzilla is a poor system for sharing and managing the flow of ebuilds and patches. It would be nice if there were a way for non-devs to publish ebuilds/fixes using a VCS so that they could be shared and easily pulled and applied to the main tree. It takes too long to browse bugzilla, find bugs, find ebuilds and patches, download them, copy to an overlay, fix digests, emerge, etc. and most users will figure it's not worth the hassle. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list