From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E7A11580B9 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 20:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 697C6E0855; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 20:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F4F7E083E for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2021 20:14:33 +0000 (UTC) To: Gentoo Development From: "Anthony G. Basile" Subject: [gentoo-dev] News item for eudev deprecation Message-ID: <5b725a13-c9b3-1b1c-d97a-78140b83e15c@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 16:14:29 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 8b351863-972d-456b-a980-aca06759c29d X-Archives-Hash: dff4bf35636efef95f6d7926823b4e8d Hi everyone, Yes! It is time to finally deprecate eudev! sys-fs/udev now builds under musl! My original purpose for maintaining eudev was because systemd + musl did not play well together when udev was absorbed into the sytemd repo. Now thanks to patches from openembedded, they do, and my original reason for maintaining eudev is no longer valid. So its time to retire eudev. It has served its purpose as a stop-gap. To me, this is a success for musl, and I would like to thank all the developers who have taken musl seriously enough to make this happen :) I am willing to transfer the eudev repo to another organization, but I will not maintain it anymore and Base System doesn't want to either. Let me warn people, to maintain it correctly you MUST become familiar with its internals and watch what systemd is doing upstream to keep up. This is not trivial. I learned a lot from eudev, and it did save musl on gentoo, but there was a period there when it was taking up almost all of my time. If you don't know what you're getting into, you don't want to take on its maintenance. Title: eudev retirement on 2022-01-01 Author: Anthony G. Basile Posted: 2021-08-xx Revision: 1 News-Item-Format: 2.0 Display-If-Installed: sys-fs/eudev sys-fs/udev is becoming the standard provider of udev on non-systemd (e.g. OpenRC) systems. Users of systemd will continue to use the udev services provided by the sys-apps/systemd package itself. The transition should be uneventful in most cases, but please read this item in full to understand some possible corner cases. eudev will be retired and removed from Gentoo on 2022-01-01. We will start masking eudev on 2021-10-01 and give people 3 months to prepare their transition. You should ensure that sys-fs/eudev is not in your world file by running emerge --deselect sys-fs/eudev in order for Portage to replace eudev with sys-fs/udev once the package.mask is in place. We fully support udev on musl, whereas uclibc will still have to rely on eudev before also being removed on 2022-01-01. **WARNING** If you happen to have an INSTALL_MASK with a blanket "*systemd*" glob, you will inevitably break your system. sys-fs/udev contains "systemd" in some of its filenames, hence a blanket filter rule will likely lead to a non-functional udev installation. Rationale The integration of udev into the systemd git repo introduced numerous problems for none-glibc systems, such as musl and uclibc. Several options were considered, and the one chosen was to fork and maintain udev independant of the rest of systemd. This was meant as a stop-gap solution until such time as the problems with systemd on musl had been resolved. This is now the case with patches provided by openembedded, and my original reason for maintaining eudev is no longer relevant. I am willing to transfer eudev to another umbrella organisation or Linux distribution that is willing to continue its maintenance, but maintaining eudev cannot be done purely through proxy-maintaining and requires an understanding of its internals. This is a steep learning curve and must be an earnest effort. For this reason, the Base System project has decided not to support euev as an option going forward. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] E-Mail : blueness@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 1FED FAD9 D82C 52A5 3BAB DC79 9384 FA6E F52D 4BBA GnuPG ID : F52D4BBA