From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FE8615802E for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99A992BC089; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 173DE2BC014 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2024 22:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <5999b1333bf4c0e33fe3b61734110e73c8b35e20.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Last rites: games-arcade/{spacerider,tuxdash,xsfcave} From: James Le Cuirot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 23:43:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <6ce4a01689e4a1144b4a4726370a5018f0a429d4.camel@gentoo.org> <358121719912682@mail.yandex.ru> <87v81onlvi.fsf@gentoo.org> Autocrypt: addr=chewi@gentoo.org; 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micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tRLaFVh8HvYQd519GRhU" User-Agent: Evolution 3.52.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: 263ed818-626d-413e-8927-e8cc004785c4 X-Archives-Hash: e4ff49450e51dd79f8aa9e8428e3f08a --=-tRLaFVh8HvYQd519GRhU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2024-07-02 at 14:39 +0400, Vitaly Zdanevich wrote: >=20 > On 7/2/24 14:12, Sam James wrote: > >=20 > > Vitaly Zdanevich writes: > > > >=20 > > > > Ancient > > >=20 > > > Oh, ancient games are sooo bad, no ray tracing, no soul. > > >=20 > > Please see https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Code_of_conduct= . > > Sorry just painful to see when we lose some old cultural artifacts. >=20 > I cannot install it, no screenshots here > > Anybody know more about this game? Same screenshots, videos? You imply that I did this out of hand, simply because they were old, but I assure you that I did try all of these games first. You could have easily tried them yourself before sending your message, despite the mask. I have no problem with having merely old games in our repo. It helps if the= y are still actively maintained, but they don't necessarily have to be. In fa= ct, I have been rather sad to see others drop games in the past. The games stil= l need to have some merit though. We are not a museum, and I would rather foc= us energy on the much better games that still need our attention. Experiences are subjective, of course, but I seriously doubted I would have found these games entertaining at the time, let alone now. I'll admit that TuxDash had some potential. It honoured the look of the original very well, which I am old enough to have played in the 80s. The maps are entirely rand= om though, so there is practically no skill involved. A quick search revealed many other open source clones that are probably much better. 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