[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Gokturk Yuksek]

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Hi all,

The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of date,
there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project leads and
members to update it. We added a reference to it in the Mentors wiki
page [1] and hoping to get more attention to it.

Thanks,

[0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[M. J. Everitt]

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On 23/11/16 05:31, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of date,
> there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project leads and
> members to update it. We added a reference to it in the Mentors wiki
> page [1] and hoping to get more attention to it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
>

+1 for GLEP67 gotchas! :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Gokturk Yuksek]

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On 11/23/2016 12:31 AM, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of
> date, there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project leads
> and members to update it. We added a reference to it in the Mentors
> wiki page [1] and hoping to get more attention to it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs [1]
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
> 

Given the inactivity on the page since the submission of this post,
I'll clear the page entirely in two days. It's better to have no
information than a misleading one. Please remember to update the page
with your staffing needs after the cleanup.

Thanks,

- --
gokturk
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Alice Ferrazzi]

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Gokturk Yuksek <gokturk@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> On 11/23/2016 12:31 AM, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of
>> date, there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project leads
>> and members to update it. We added a reference to it in the Mentors
>> wiki page [1] and hoping to get more attention to it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs [1]
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
>>
>
> Given the inactivity on the page since the submission of this post,
> I'll clear the page entirely in two days. It's better to have no
> information than a misleading one. Please remember to update the page
> with your staffing needs after the cleanup.
>
> Thanks,
>

Thanks!

> - --
> gokturk
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Mart Raudsepp]

Ühel kenal päeval, E, 28.11.2016 kell 17:45, kirjutas Gokturk Yuksek:
> On 11/23/2016 12:31 AM, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of
> > date, there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project leads
> > and members to update it. We added a reference to it in the Mentors
> > wiki page [1] and hoping to get more attention to it.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs [1]
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
> > 
> 
> Given the inactivity on the page since the submission of this post,
> I'll clear the page entirely in two days. It's better to have no
> information than a misleading one. Please remember to update the page
> with your staffing needs after the cleanup.

This is not some page that is just there and edited as-is. It is
generated from {{Staffing Needs}} macros placed into project pages and
seems like individual subpages when https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Projec
t:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Maintenance is used instead.
Therefore I doubt you can just go and clear things on that page alone,
nor does it mean you should clean everything without contacting the
project, especially those that actually have it on their project page
(so relatively knowingly placed there recently).


Mart

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Gokturk Yuksek]

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Mart Raudsepp:
> Ühel kenal päeval, E, 28.11.2016 kell 17:45, kirjutas Gokturk
> Yuksek:
>> On 11/23/2016 12:31 AM, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of 
>>> date, there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project
>>> leads and members to update it. We added a reference to it in
>>> the Mentors wiki page [1] and hoping to get more attention to
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
>>> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
>>> 
>> 
>> Given the inactivity on the page since the submission of this
>> post, I'll clear the page entirely in two days. It's better to
>> have no information than a misleading one. Please remember to
>> update the page with your staffing needs after the cleanup.
> 
> This is not some page that is just there and edited as-is. It is 
> generated from {{Staffing Needs}} macros placed into project pages
> and seems like individual subpages when
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Projec 
> t:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Maintenance is used instead. Therefore I
> doubt you can just go and clear things on that page alone, nor does
> it mean you should clean everything without contacting the project,
> especially those that actually have it on their project page (so
> relatively knowingly placed there recently).
> 

I thought about the same thing at first. A more careful look at the
URL shows that this is not the case:


https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/ProxyMaintain
er

The {{Staffing Need}} macro page lives under "Gentoo" in project
namespace, not under "Proxy Maintainers". As a matter of fact, the
link has a typo where it's missing an 's' at the end.

I'd like to bring it to attention that there had been no activity on
the page in a week. We should at least clear some obvious ones like this
:

- --
GMN Editor/Author
We are looking for developers or users interested in helping us out
with the Gentoo Monthly Newsletters.
- --

This isn't even an official GMN project at the moment, there is no
information who is in charge and it's misleading people.

I'll try to contact individual projects as much as I can.

> 
> Mart
> 

- --
gokturk

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Mart Raudsepp]

Ühel kenal päeval, T, 29.11.2016 kell 19:31, kirjutas Gokturk Yuksek:
> Mart Raudsepp:
> > 
> > Ühel kenal päeval, E, 28.11.2016 kell 17:45, kirjutas Gokturk
> > Yuksek:
> > > 
> > > On 11/23/2016 12:31 AM, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > 
> > > > The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of 
> > > > date, there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project
> > > > leads and members to update it. We added a reference to it in
> > > > the Mentors wiki page [1] and hoping to get more attention to
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > > [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
> > > > [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Given the inactivity on the page since the submission of this
> > > post, I'll clear the page entirely in two days. It's better to
> > > have no information than a misleading one. Please remember to
> > > update the page with your staffing needs after the cleanup.
> > 
> > This is not some page that is just there and edited as-is. It is 
> > generated from {{Staffing Needs}} macros placed into project pages
> > and seems like individual subpages when
> > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Projec 
> > t:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Maintenance is used instead. Therefore I
> > doubt you can just go and clear things on that page alone, nor does
> > it mean you should clean everything without contacting the project,
> > especially those that actually have it on their project page (so
> > relatively knowingly placed there recently).
> > 
> 
> I thought about the same thing at first. A more careful look at the
> URL shows that this is not the case:
> 
> 
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/ProxyMaint
> ain
> er
> 
> The {{Staffing Need}} macro page lives under "Gentoo" in project
> namespace, not under "Proxy Maintainers". As a matter of fact, the
> link has a typo where it's missing an 's' at the end.

I guess that template then just gives an additional staffing need table
to the project page when used and not synced if you say so. Would be
nice to have this automated in the way I thought it already was. This
ensures that there is a project page that advertises the staffing need
and with that a contact in the detailed page.

> I'd like to bring it to attention that there had been no activity on
> the page in a week. We should at least clear some obvious ones like
> this
> :
> 
> --
> GMN Editor/Author
> We are looking for developers or users interested in helping us out
> with the Gentoo Monthly Newsletters.
> --
> 
> This isn't even an official GMN project at the moment, there is no
> information who is in charge and it's misleading people.

That's because there is no-one to do it, but it would be nice if
someone did. So a staffing need. But yes, there should be someone to
contact for it then; maybe PR should consider adding a new staffing
need for that under their umbrella or something.

> I'll try to contact individual projects as much as I can.

Sounds good.


Mart

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

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IMHO likely off topic for -dev and proper place would be -project as it is not 
technical in nature.

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:28:36 PM EST Mart Raudsepp wrote:
> Ühel kenal päeval, T, 29.11.2016 kell 19:31, kirjutas Gokturk Yuksek:
> >
> > This isn't even an official GMN project at the moment, there is no
> > information who is in charge and it's misleading people.
> 
> That's because there is no-one to do it

That can be said for many things... WAY to many things...

> , but it would be nice if
> someone did. So a staffing need. But yes, there should be someone to
> contact for it then; maybe PR should consider adding a new staffing
> need for that under their umbrella or something.

So many projects, so much bureaucracy, many on multiple projects/teams wearing 
multiple hats. How do they have time for them all? IMHO it is better to find 
someone else to be part of another team, than to wear multiple hats. In most 
organizations you get 1 title, belong to 1 team, or department.

I have a feeling Gentoo has more projects than developers or staff.

Focus needs to be on increasing numbers, not putting out staffing needs which 
likely will not be filled. Along those lines would be interesting to see how 
many staffing needs were met via putting out some sort of staffing needs 
information.

People need a reason over all to contribute to and join Gentoo. Putting out 
staffing needs does little to motivate anyone to get involved.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Gokturk Yuksek]

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Gokturk Yuksek:
> Hi all,
> 
> The Staffing Needs page on the wiki [0] seems a little out of date,
> there are still mentions of "herds". I invite project leads and
> members to update it. We added a reference to it in the Mentors wiki
> page [1] and hoping to get more attention to it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> [0] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Mentors
> 

The following listings have now been removed due to no response to
individual emails to the project aliases after a week:

gmn@gentoo.org

GMN Editor/Author:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Gentoo_Monthly_Newsletters


java@gentoo.org

Glassfish package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Glassfish_package_maintainer

JBoss package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/JBoss_package_maintainer

Java package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Java_package_maintainer

Jetty package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Jetty_package_maintainer

Maven package maintainer and portage integrator:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Maven_package_maintainer

Tomcat package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Tomcat_package_maintainer


perl@gentoo.org

Perl package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Perl_package_maintainer


qt@gentoo.org

Qt Developer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Qt_Developer

Qt Documentation Editor:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Qt_Documentation_Editor

Qt Proxy Maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Qt_Proxy_Maintainer


ruby@gentoo.org

Ruby core package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Ruby_core_package_maintainer

Ruby package maintainer:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Ruby_package_maintainer


vmware@gentoo.org

VMWare Team Member/Team Lead:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Vmware_developer


amd64@gentoo.org

AMD64 Arch Testers:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/AMD64_Arch_Testers


x86@gentoo.org

x86 Arch Tester:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/x86_Arch_Tester

x86 Team Member:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/x86_Team_Member

--
gokturk


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Hans de Graaff]

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On Sun, 2016-12-11 at 17:17 +0000, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
> 
> ruby@gentoo.org
> 
> Ruby core package maintainer:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Ruby_core_
> package_maintainer
> 
> Ruby package maintainer:
> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Ruby_packa
> ge_maintainer

I don't recall seeing this email. Are you sure it was sent?

In any case both positions are still valid and open.

Hans

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Staffing Needs page is out of date

[Gokturk Yuksek]

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Hans de Graaff:
> On Sun, 2016-12-11 at 17:17 +0000, Gokturk Yuksek wrote:
>>  
>> ruby@gentoo.org
>>
>> Ruby core package maintainer:
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Ruby_core_
>> package_maintainer
>>
>> Ruby package maintainer:
>> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Gentoo/Staffing_Needs/Ruby_packa
>> ge_maintainer
> 
> I don't recall seeing this email. Are you sure it was sent?
> 

From: Gokturk Yuksek <gokturk@gentoo.org>
To: ruby@gentoo.org
Cc: mentors@gentoo.org
Message-ID: <187054b4-488b-9065-d332-f6a4e0cc299c@gentoo.org>
Subject: Staffing Needs

> In any case both positions are still valid and open.
> 

I'll revert it. Sorry for the trouble.

> Hans
> 



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