From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5726659CAF for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDE0821C026; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f43.google.com (mail-wm0-f43.google.com [74.125.82.43]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0AE021C017 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l6so99785821wml.1 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:22:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NAUI8KO4UFyKEu7CRqRhzSSkS27gOJ1hcHqTT5WoOIQ=; b=chPAs2PyvTfGyTa3kjXix8iq8rm1M8G47wYuK5RPP6MYeKogwhtD6SGjfBipE0O7qd 4OLu74JqwUg0ePN6QdM46iNhP+SUtF/CdC0uQcw+KFd5qp/l8Oh9l8Cfgg+HuX7hdjPs IZh/mmlHwc7cs5ebZyj/ERfY24PApp688FjcltbCEsLcRChYs+IOqYsobtHTrSlTwoOC bym1G10idDrwtSg/YGMIgkg/s8FwUVSfuGHsXSTNI9DzCRquXj9aDVV2dhM6C37LM3nz OWbJMsdaOzduME21QpJi/yY8g1Qb9PAG/xhPCjZyJajL+J3PcRiHPDF8a7suW+kKlCDn LRyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NAUI8KO4UFyKEu7CRqRhzSSkS27gOJ1hcHqTT5WoOIQ=; b=QMqGwe+JgeShSDoYb0eMCXaBRs/Bcv/BO+pJKGB2UQlXmj9+yzmP9UfwBepNxBUyQc 8euvqJzLBDREABz1hSVuwmwwlzgZWa4J6Xwdovj6cIJUYrIhMkkHTH7DplEPdpVp5WgY 0M1PNIByFjkiN1Q1W13AAIrlxPjMjL4XusZ/I6fD5tnk51QmIkmBJySTzY1vYSCfgp2f KdSOLaOdYFK7WzunrkYnZWJXcstpqCRfvOWt9dTlP7UwGqocQWFu9fGn53hldmTouhKb yR3qY6rYHiqJ0UGvj+pPjRn1Gk60KfNpAcvwUCvSAjlC6QqyW1HlEKx2xiuo8ra+f22r /9VQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJJqgF5ZI1TJrMo9Xr3QTEva+CzdKi+Jb4eJnnSDVy3r9rQP90L2tHwz3Wf9hYtvEw== X-Received: by 10.28.230.69 with SMTP id d66mr10548511wmh.54.1460229729309; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:22:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] ([165.255.112.141]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id t4sm8989309wmf.8.2016.04.09.12.22.07 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: usr merge To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <57087E0D.3090502@gmail.com> <20160409053230.GA16529@waltdnes.org> <20160409160938.GA17530@waltdnes.org> <20160409121825.7739c5fc@sepulchrave.remarqs> <20160409183415.GA17891@waltdnes.org> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <5709565D.3010408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 21:22:05 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160409183415.GA17891@waltdnes.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: a84d0e71-5c64-4137-8386-7abdd34e1a64 X-Archives-Hash: 263e8598fe9594e78aa6b7ce16fef4aa On 09/04/2016 20:34, waltdnes@waltdnes.org wrote: > On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 12:18:25PM -0500, »Q« wrote >> On Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:09:38 -0400 >> waltdnes@waltdnes.org wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 07:11:31AM -0400, Rich Freeman wrote >>> >>>> It was simply a recognition that we were already in a state where >>>> booting a system without /usr mounted early can cause problems. >>> >>> For certain edge cases... yes. But they were already using >>> initramfs or merging /usr into /. I'm talking about the 95% who >>> don't really need it. >> >> Booting without /usr mounted early is something Gentoo already doesn't >> support and can't support, right? > > If you can read this post, you've got a mighty powerful imagination. > Because we all know that Gentoo can't boot, let alone send emails, from > a machine with separate /usr and no initramfs... just like I'm using > right now. > That's not what he said. He said gentoo doesn't, and can't support it, because it's a world of pain to provide proper support to everyone who wants it. If you want it, as you do, you get to do it yourself. While it still works, grat. When it stops working, you fix it. He did not say, as you imply, that it cannot work right now. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com