From: Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 11:04:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C49A1B.20101@gentoo.org> (raw)
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On 02/17/2016 09:54 AM, brettrsears@gmail.com wrote:
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Kohler <bkohler@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 08:01:32
> To: <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
> Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> eudev has every commit scrutinized by people who care about using it on
>> Gentoo. systemd-udev does not. Consequently, eudev has avoided the system
>> boot breaking regressions that prompted its creation. That is a good reason
>> to make it the new default. If it fails to fulfill its duties, then this
>> could be revisited, but that should be unlikely.
>>
>> I think if someone could enumerate those specific breakages and present it
> as evidence, that could get more people on board for this change. Moreso
> than just "upstream doesn't care about us" or "eventually split udev will
> be impossible".
>
> -Ben
>
This is something that I think many of us who had systems broken by
sys-fs/udev multiple times before sys-fs/eudev was an option thought was
obvious.
If a complete list of the breakages that lead to the creation of
sys-fs/eudev were produced, I imagine that the list would have at least
3 to 5 items from the ~18 months before sys-fs/eudev with half of them
were probably self inflicted by sys-fs/udev maintenance.
I recall one incident involving whether udev should be in /sbin or
/usr/sbin being resolved after 6 months of debate between then future
eudev founders and sys-fs/udev maintainers only because the systemd
developers told the sys-fs/udev maintainers it should be in /sbin like
others had told them.
Another broke support for older kernels for no apparent benefit (and
this sort of regression naturally enters sys-fs/udev):
https://github.com/gentoo/eudev/commit/eeb8d70a6b38f736febaa4c3b03e39b4c1193a6c
There were other issues too, but I am unable to volunteer the time
required to go through history to figure out what was broken, when and
for how long.
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2016-02-08 9:08 [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider Patrick Lauer
2016-02-08 9:25 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-08 11:12 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-08 11:19 ` Andrew Savchenko
2016-02-08 13:20 ` Dale
2016-02-08 12:52 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-02-08 12:30 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-08 12:32 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-08 12:37 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-11 2:04 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2016-02-08 12:46 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-08 12:56 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-08 15:01 ` Kent Fredric
2016-02-08 16:00 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-11 1:46 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2016-02-11 5:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-11 16:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-09 0:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 1:01 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 19:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger
2016-02-09 22:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 23:38 ` Alex McWhirter
2016-02-09 23:42 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-10 5:09 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-10 14:27 ` waltdnes
2016-02-10 14:52 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-10 16:26 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-10 17:09 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-11 1:15 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-11 1:27 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-14 6:31 ` Joshua Kinard
2016-02-10 15:25 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-10 23:10 ` »Q«
2016-02-17 2:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Richard Yao
2016-02-17 6:37 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 8:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-17 10:23 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:29 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-08 16:18 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-08 17:01 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-08 17:31 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-09 0:07 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 1:15 ` Alex McWhirter
2016-02-09 7:43 ` waltdnes
2016-02-09 12:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 0:46 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 0:58 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 3:09 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 5:27 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 9:03 ` Kent Fredric
2016-02-09 12:36 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 12:43 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 19:10 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-14 15:14 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 16:00 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 16:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 19:41 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-14 20:17 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 20:27 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 20:32 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 20:23 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:31 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2016-02-14 20:34 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 20:34 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:47 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-14 20:50 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-15 1:34 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-15 9:29 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-15 10:01 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-15 12:11 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-16 17:45 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-16 18:12 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 18:34 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 18:35 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-16 18:53 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 18:55 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:14 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-16 22:03 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:05 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 19:14 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:33 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-16 19:57 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-16 20:05 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-16 20:26 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-16 20:51 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-16 22:16 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-16 22:56 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 23:21 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-17 4:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-16 20:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 22:16 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:59 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 22:41 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-17 12:43 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 12:53 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 12:58 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:03 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-17 13:39 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 13:47 ` Ben Kohler
2016-02-17 13:55 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 14:01 ` Ben Kohler
2016-02-17 14:41 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 14:45 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 14:54 ` brettrsears
2016-02-17 16:04 ` Richard Yao [this message]
2016-02-17 18:47 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-18 2:57 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 13:09 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-17 13:32 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:38 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-17 13:42 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-17 16:16 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 18:12 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 23:40 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-18 0:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-16 20:09 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-16 20:39 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-14 20:31 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 20:39 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:42 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-14 20:47 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:56 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-15 1:29 ` Alex McWhirter
2016-02-15 2:16 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-15 2:31 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-15 5:28 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-15 5:54 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-15 12:13 ` Francesco Riosa
2016-02-15 14:40 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-16 1:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 11:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 12:14 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 12:39 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 13:39 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-02-09 13:46 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 14:23 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-02-09 16:57 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-09 17:28 ` boot loader in @system, was " Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-09 17:24 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-02-09 23:48 ` Dale
2016-02-09 18:25 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2016-02-09 18:38 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 8:43 ` Kent Fredric
2016-02-09 12:17 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 13:06 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 13:44 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 14:44 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 15:04 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-10 0:11 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 17:18 ` [gentoo-dev] " Brian Dolbec
2016-02-09 18:02 ` Rubin
2016-02-09 18:29 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 23:47 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-10 3:59 ` waltdnes
2016-02-10 0:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-10 17:36 ` [gentoo-dev] The Beauty of Unix Paul Varner
2016-02-10 17:58 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-10 19:30 ` Gregory Woodbury
2016-02-10 19:51 ` brettrsears
2016-02-09 13:13 ` [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider Francesco Riosa
2016-02-14 12:10 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-15 10:55 ` Lars Wendler
2016-02-09 16:33 ` Luca Barbato
2016-02-17 4:00 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 10:34 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:19 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 10:52 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-17 13:44 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 12:25 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-17 12:58 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-08 18:12 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-08 19:37 ` Pacho Ramos
2016-02-09 19:02 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-17 2:42 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-26 12:31 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-26 13:35 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-27 17:14 ` Rich Freeman
2016-03-01 18:17 ` Patrick Lauer
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