From: "Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn" <chithanh@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:14:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C374FB.1080803@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160216200516.6318fd16@gentoo.org>
Alexis Ballier schrieb:
> I also fail to see how udev using a new linux ipc would make it require
> systemd. Quoting Lennart:
> "You need the userspace code to set up the bus and its policy and handle
> activation. That's not a trivial task. For us, that's what sytemd does
> in PID 1. You'd need to come up with an alternative for that."
>
> If it's just that, it's not limited to udev, but anything using
> kdbus/bus1, and would mean openrc/${favorite init system} will have to
> do the same thing anyway. But again, almost 2 years is extremely
> old considering all the flux that has been around kbus.
OpenRC itself can for now just ignore kdbus, bus1, or whatever kernel
IPC system comes next. But if upstream udev makes use of the systemd
userspace interface to the kernel IPC system, then OpenRC would have to
implement the same interface in order to have working udev.
Also given the close relationship between systemd and udev, there is no
guarantee that supporting other users of kdbus/bus1 will make udev
automagically work. As these two are released together, there is no
reason to have a stable, public API between them.
Best regards,
Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
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Thread overview: 178+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-08 9:08 [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider Patrick Lauer
2016-02-08 9:25 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-08 11:12 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-08 11:19 ` Andrew Savchenko
2016-02-08 13:20 ` Dale
2016-02-08 12:52 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-02-08 12:30 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-08 12:32 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-08 12:37 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-11 2:04 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2016-02-08 12:46 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-08 12:56 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-08 15:01 ` Kent Fredric
2016-02-08 16:00 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-11 1:46 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2016-02-11 5:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-11 16:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-09 0:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 1:01 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 19:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Frysinger
2016-02-09 22:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 23:38 ` Alex McWhirter
2016-02-09 23:42 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-10 5:09 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-10 14:27 ` waltdnes
2016-02-10 14:52 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-10 16:26 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-10 17:09 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-11 1:15 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-11 1:27 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-14 6:31 ` Joshua Kinard
2016-02-10 15:25 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-10 23:10 ` »Q«
2016-02-17 2:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Richard Yao
2016-02-17 6:37 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 8:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-17 10:23 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:29 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-08 16:18 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-08 17:01 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2016-02-08 17:31 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-09 0:07 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 1:15 ` Alex McWhirter
2016-02-09 7:43 ` waltdnes
2016-02-09 12:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 0:46 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 0:58 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 3:09 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 5:27 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 9:03 ` Kent Fredric
2016-02-09 12:36 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 12:43 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 19:10 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-14 15:14 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 16:00 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 16:17 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 19:41 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-14 20:17 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 20:27 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 20:32 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 20:23 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:31 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2016-02-14 20:34 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-14 20:34 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:47 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-14 20:50 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-15 1:34 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-15 9:29 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-15 10:01 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-15 12:11 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-16 17:45 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-16 18:12 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 18:34 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 18:35 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-16 18:53 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 18:55 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:14 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-16 22:03 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:05 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 19:14 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn [this message]
2016-02-16 19:33 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-16 19:57 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-16 20:05 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-16 20:26 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-16 20:51 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-16 22:16 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-16 22:56 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 23:21 ` Brian Dolbec
2016-02-17 4:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-16 20:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 22:16 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-16 19:59 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-16 22:41 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-17 12:43 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 12:53 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 12:58 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:03 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-17 13:39 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 13:47 ` Ben Kohler
2016-02-17 13:55 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 14:01 ` Ben Kohler
2016-02-17 14:41 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 14:45 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 14:54 ` brettrsears
2016-02-17 16:04 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 18:47 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-18 2:57 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 13:09 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-17 13:32 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:38 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-17 13:42 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-17 16:16 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 18:12 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 23:40 ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-18 0:19 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-16 20:09 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-16 20:39 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-14 20:31 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-14 20:39 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:42 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-14 20:47 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-14 20:56 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-15 1:29 ` Alex McWhirter
2016-02-15 2:16 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-15 2:31 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-15 5:28 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-15 5:54 ` M. J. Everitt
2016-02-15 12:13 ` Francesco Riosa
2016-02-15 14:40 ` Mike Frysinger
2016-02-16 1:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 11:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 12:14 ` Anthony G. Basile
2016-02-09 12:39 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 13:39 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-02-09 13:46 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 14:23 ` Ulrich Mueller
2016-02-09 16:57 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-09 17:28 ` boot loader in @system, was " Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2016-02-09 17:24 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2016-02-09 23:48 ` Dale
2016-02-09 18:25 ` Alon Bar-Lev
2016-02-09 18:38 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 8:43 ` Kent Fredric
2016-02-09 12:17 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 13:06 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 13:44 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 14:44 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-09 15:04 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-10 0:11 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-09 17:18 ` [gentoo-dev] " Brian Dolbec
2016-02-09 18:02 ` Rubin
2016-02-09 18:29 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-09 23:47 ` Daniel Campbell
2016-02-10 3:59 ` waltdnes
2016-02-10 0:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2016-02-10 17:36 ` [gentoo-dev] The Beauty of Unix Paul Varner
2016-02-10 17:58 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-10 19:30 ` Gregory Woodbury
2016-02-10 19:51 ` brettrsears
2016-02-09 13:13 ` [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider Francesco Riosa
2016-02-14 12:10 ` Patrick Lauer
2016-02-15 10:55 ` Lars Wendler
2016-02-09 16:33 ` Luca Barbato
2016-02-17 4:00 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 10:34 ` Michał Górny
2016-02-17 13:19 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 10:52 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-17 13:44 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-17 12:25 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-17 12:58 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-08 18:12 ` William Hubbs
2016-02-08 19:37 ` Pacho Ramos
2016-02-09 19:02 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-17 2:42 ` Richard Yao
2016-02-26 12:31 ` Rich Freeman
2016-02-26 13:35 ` Alexis Ballier
2016-02-27 17:14 ` Rich Freeman
2016-03-01 18:17 ` Patrick Lauer
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