Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider

[Rubin <rubin@xs4all.nl>]

+1, been using eudev since starting with gentoo, in fact, it was one of
the prime motivators of trying out gentoo [1].

[1]: using gentoo for about a year now and primary reason for me and
about 2 colleagues who switched with me was "a linux distro with enough
flexibility to completely avoid
systemd/logind/polkit/policykit/networkmanager/modemmanager at
./configure level". The resulting system is extremely simple
conceptually, with a low process count.


On 02/09/16 18:18, Brian Dolbec wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 08:44:03 -0500
> Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>  
>> I'll admit this has been a bit of an emotional thread for me.  I think
>> my frustration comes from the fact that it seems like the whole reason
>> that eudev exists is because people really strongly believe that
>> systemd isn't the right way to go, and yet those same people don't
>> seem to realize that others might feel just as strongly that eudev
>> isn't the right way to go.
>>
> 
> I started the replies with a simple +1, and that I had switched to
> eudev...  No, "Down with the evil systemd.borg" comments
> 
> As one of the few huge threads that I have been reading.  It is you
> that has been taking this thread more in the direction of something
> akin to a preacher shouting we're all going to burn in hell for even
> considering switching the default.  While you were obviously more
> emotional, Anthony was very calmly, and clearly refuting many of your
> statements.
> 
>  
>> Surely anybody suggesting switching to eudev as the default
>> virtual/udev provider had to have realized that this would create a
>> huge controversy.
>>
> 
> BUT WHY DOES it have to be!!!!!
> 
> Why can't we as a group simply respond to something like this with a
> simple +1, -1  and a few pros/cons
> 
> Why must it become yet another shouting match.  And I'm sorry to have to
> tell you this, but you have been leading the charge in that direction.
> 
> 
>> Even if standalone udev is a dead-end (something that is speculation
>> at this point), it isn't like the code that exists today will suddenly
>> stop working.  Worst case we just have to change the default at a
>> later point in time.
>>
>> Even just kicking the can down the road has a lot of advantages:
>> 1.  Everything works fine today.
> 
> yes
> 
>> 2.  We don't know for sure that it will ever stop working.
> 
> no, we don't
> 
>> 3.  Deferring a decision means we don't have to wage a huge battle
>> over which way the decision ought to go.
> 
> As I pointed out above, you seem to be leading the battle charge.
> 
> Why couldn't you have simply replied "-1 I use systemd like most other
> distros" and "It works for me as is"  and leave it at that.
> 
>> 4.  If we do have to make a decision in the future, we'll have more
>> information to act on.
>>
> 
> put off till tomorrow what you can avoid doing today...  tsk, tsk, tsk
> 
> IT IS A SIMPLE POLL of the possibility of switching the default VIRTUAL
> we were suppose to be talking about/voting on!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry everyone for a little shouting of my own.
>