Re: [gentoo-dev] [rfc] drop iputils from @system (i.e. ping)

[Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org>]

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On 15/10/15 06:57 AM, Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Mike Frysinger
> <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> iputils is currently in @system for everyone.  by default, it
>> only installs `ping`.  do we feel strongly enough about this to
>> require all systems include it ?  or should this wait for the
>> long idea of releasing stage4's instead of stage3's ?
> 
> IMO this should certainly be installed by default, but it should
> also not be a part of the @system set unless portage depends on
> it or something like that.
> 
> Thus this should probably wait until we start releasing stage4s.
> 

So as mentioned already, there's a ping functionality provided by
busybox (and busybox won't be dropped from @system any time soon,
right?).  So long as people know that works (which may require
documentation updates), the removal of iputils will likely have very
little impact.

Secondly, iamben and I were discussing that the addition of a
section to the Handbook, "Optional: Highly Recommended Packages and
Tools" to, say, the bottom of the 'Installing system tools' chapter.
 A table containing package name and a quick description of its
importance should do.

Thirdly, is there any method that will alert users that iputils is
going to be depcleaned after it's dropped from @system ??  I know we
recommend people run it with --pretend, but if people aren't looking
for packages being dropped from @system I can see this falling
through the cracks a lot...


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