[gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Justin (jlec)]

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Hi,

is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.

Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.

Justin


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Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Daniel Campbell]

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On 09/30/2015 06:02 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
> 
> Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.
> 
> Justin
> 

I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity of
mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on them?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Michał Górny]

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Dnia 2015-10-02, o godz. 03:38:16
Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> napisał(a):

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> On 09/30/2015 06:02 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
> > 
> > Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.
> > 
> > Justin
> > 
> 
> I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity of
> mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on them?

dev-tcltk/expect is sometimes used for modem chats.

net-im/tkabber used to be pretty good but I haven't looked at it in ages.

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Michał Górny
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Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[James Le Cuirot]

On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:42:37 +0200
Michał Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org> wrote:

> > I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity
> > of mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on
> > them?  
> 
> dev-tcltk/expect is sometimes used for modem chats.
> 
> net-im/tkabber used to be pretty good but I haven't looked at it in
> ages.

gitk (in dev-vcs/git) is about the only thing I use it for these days
and even that's rare.

-- 
James Le Cuirot (chewi)
Gentoo Linux Developer

Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Dale]

Michał Górny wrote:
> Dnia 2015-10-02, o godz. 03:38:16
> Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
>
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>>
>> On 09/30/2015 06:02 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
>>>
>>> Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>> I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity of
>> mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on them?
> dev-tcltk/expect is sometimes used for modem chats.
>
> net-im/tkabber used to be pretty good but I haven't looked at it in ages.
>


I have these that use tcl or tk:


root@fireball / # equery h tk
 * Searching for USE flag tk ...
[IP-] [  ] app-office/scribus-1.4.4-r1:0
[IP-] [  ] dev-lang/R-3.2.2:0
[IP-] [  ] dev-lang/python-2.7.10:2.7
[IP-] [  ] dev-lang/python-3.4.3:3.4
[IP-] [  ] dev-python/pillow-2.8.1:0
[IP-] [  ] dev-python/pyopengl-3.0.2-r1:0
[IP-] [  ] dev-vcs/git-2.4.9:0
[IP-] [  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.11:0
[IP-] [  ] sci-electronics/pcb-20140316:0
[IP-] [  ] virtual/python-imaging-2:0
root@fireball / # equery h tcl
 * Searching for USE flag tcl ...
[IP-] [  ] dev-db/sqlite-3.8.10.2:3
[IP-] [  ] media-gfx/graphviz-2.26.3-r4:0
[IP-] [  ] net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.5.4:0
[IP-] [  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.11:0
[IP-] [  ] sys-libs/db-4.8.30-r2:4.8
root@fireball / # 


Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Philip Webb]

Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
> I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity.
> Are there any particularly important packages that run on them?

All my pkgs which requre it have USE flag 'tk' set (compare Dale's list).
I have it set in  make.conf  for whatever reason (something long ago ? ).
Perhaps if I dropped it there, everything would work just as well.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Pacho Ramos]

El vie, 02-10-2015 a las 13:42 +0200, Michał Górny escribió:
> Dnia 2015-10-02, o godz. 03:38:16
> Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
> 
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> > 
> > On 09/30/2015 06:02 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
> > > 
> > > Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your
> > > packages.
> > > 
> > > Justin
> > > 
> > 
> > I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity
> > of
> > mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on
> > them?
> 
> dev-tcltk/expect is sometimes used for modem chats.
> 
> net-im/tkabber used to be pretty good but I haven't looked at it in
> ages.
> 

I use VMD near every day too... ;)

Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Joshua Kinard]

On 10/02/2015 08:44, Dale wrote:
> Michał Górny wrote:
>> Dnia 2015-10-02, o godz. 03:38:16
>> Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>
>>> On 09/30/2015 06:02 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>> I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity of
>>> mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on them?
>> dev-tcltk/expect is sometimes used for modem chats.
>>
>> net-im/tkabber used to be pretty good but I haven't looked at it in ages.
>>
> 
> 
> I have these that use tcl or tk:
> 
> 
> root@fireball / # equery h tk
>  * Searching for USE flag tk ...
> [IP-] [  ] app-office/scribus-1.4.4-r1:0
> [IP-] [  ] dev-lang/R-3.2.2:0
> [IP-] [  ] dev-lang/python-2.7.10:2.7
> [IP-] [  ] dev-lang/python-3.4.3:3.4
> [IP-] [  ] dev-python/pillow-2.8.1:0
> [IP-] [  ] dev-python/pyopengl-3.0.2-r1:0
> [IP-] [  ] dev-vcs/git-2.4.9:0
> [IP-] [  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.11:0
> [IP-] [  ] sci-electronics/pcb-20140316:0
> [IP-] [  ] virtual/python-imaging-2:0
> root@fireball / # equery h tcl
>  * Searching for USE flag tcl ...
> [IP-] [  ] dev-db/sqlite-3.8.10.2:3
> [IP-] [  ] media-gfx/graphviz-2.26.3-r4:0
> [IP-] [  ] net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.5.4:0
> [IP-] [  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.11:0
> [IP-] [  ] sys-libs/db-4.8.30-r2:4.8
> root@fireball / # 

tcl/tk support should remain if at all possible, especially in Python.  TCL is
the base language, and well-entrenched in some really niche areas, like eggdrop
bot scripting and the like.  IIRC, everything in TCL is effectively a string,
and it's very much an event-driven language via the use of "binds".

Tk is for creating cross-platform GUIs using TCL, and Python people have likely
encountered Tk as "Tkinter", Python's wrapper around Tk for creating
cross-platform Python GUIs (like gitk).

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lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

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Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Dale]

Joshua Kinard wrote:
> On 10/02/2015 08:44, Dale wrote:
>> Michał Górny wrote:
>>> Dnia 2015-10-02, o godz. 03:38:16
>>> Daniel Campbell <zlg@gentoo.org> napisał(a):
>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA256
>>>>
>>>> On 09/30/2015 06:02 AM, Justin (jlec) wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin
>>>>>
>>>> I know next to nothing about tcl/tk but it's been an idle curiosity of
>>>> mine. Are there any particularly important packages that run on them?
>>> dev-tcltk/expect is sometimes used for modem chats.
>>>
>>> net-im/tkabber used to be pretty good but I haven't looked at it in ages.
>>>
>>
>> I have these that use tcl or tk:
>>
>>
>> root@fireball / # equery h tk
>>  * Searching for USE flag tk ...
>> [IP-] [  ] app-office/scribus-1.4.4-r1:0
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-lang/R-3.2.2:0
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-lang/python-2.7.10:2.7
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-lang/python-3.4.3:3.4
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-python/pillow-2.8.1:0
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-python/pyopengl-3.0.2-r1:0
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-vcs/git-2.4.9:0
>> [IP-] [  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.11:0
>> [IP-] [  ] sci-electronics/pcb-20140316:0
>> [IP-] [  ] virtual/python-imaging-2:0
>> root@fireball / # equery h tcl
>>  * Searching for USE flag tcl ...
>> [IP-] [  ] dev-db/sqlite-3.8.10.2:3
>> [IP-] [  ] media-gfx/graphviz-2.26.3-r4:0
>> [IP-] [  ] net-analyzer/rrdtool-1.5.4:0
>> [IP-] [  ] net-im/pidgin-2.10.11:0
>> [IP-] [  ] sys-libs/db-4.8.30-r2:4.8
>> root@fireball / # 
> tcl/tk support should remain if at all possible, especially in Python.  TCL is
> the base language, and well-entrenched in some really niche areas, like eggdrop
> bot scripting and the like.  IIRC, everything in TCL is effectively a string,
> and it's very much an event-driven language via the use of "binds".
>
> Tk is for creating cross-platform GUIs using TCL, and Python people have likely
> encountered Tk as "Tkinter", Python's wrapper around Tk for creating
> cross-platform Python GUIs (like gitk).
>


I recall that at least one, maybe more, needed those flags to install. 
At least it did at the time.  I think, key word think, pcb and maybe
scribus is in that category.  I'm not real sure on the others. 
Generally, if something is required like that, I just set it in
make.conf for everything.  If it causes a problem, I disable it in
package.use for that package. 

The biggest reason for the post is to let them know that at least one
lowly user has those packages that use it.  Honestly, I have no idea
what it does or what function it adds, until your post anyway.  I just
followed what portage told me. 

If support for it drops, I'll just try to adjust to it.  If a package
must have it and won't build without it, then I can post here or b.g.o.
and either that package has to go the same way as tk and/or tcl or
someone will do some fixes so that they can be back in the tree again. 
Either way, it will work out. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  I'm getting a error message on your OpenPGP.  I get this:  "Error
- No valid armored OpenPGP data block found".  If that is caused by
something on your end, may want to look into it. 

[gentoo-dev] Re: tcltk herd empty

[Duncan]

Dale posted on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 01:06:43 -0500 as excerpted:

> P. S.  I'm getting a error message on your OpenPGP.  I get this:
> "Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found".
> If that is caused by something on your end, may want to look into it.

That bit's easily explained -- the PGP trigger token (begin pgp 
signed..., not duplicating it exactly here to prevent a similar problem) 
remained in the material quoted (several levels deep, in fact) from an 
earlier post.  Your client obviously triggered on it even embedded in the 
quote, however, understandably rather confusing you.

You might consider filing that as a bug with SeaMonkey upstream, since 
trying to PGP-verify within a quote is fraught with so many problems, 
including attribution confusion if by some miracle the quoted material 
can be correctly detected and separated from the quote markers and hasn't 
been rewrapped or otherwise damaged, so that it actually does verify, 
that it's not a good idea.  The problem of course is knowing that it's a 
quote and thus not to trigger, but being a part of a multi-line block of 
text with initial ">" markers is reasonable enough indication of it being 
in a quote, I'd say, even if other styles of quoting aren't so accurately 
detectable.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
and if you use the program, he is your master."  Richard Stallman

Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Justin Lecher (jlec)]

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On 30/09/15 15:02, Justin (jlec) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
> 
> Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your packages.
> 
> Justin
> 


Hi,

so it seems there is some interest.

Following things are to be done:

1. Stable tcl/tk-8.6
There have been some API changes, so packages exhibit needed to be
adopted.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=tcltk-8.6

But there are only 5 bugs left.

2. General package maintenance
tcltk is maintaining quite some packages which have open bugs from
time to time. Nothing serious (except for tkimg, which is bundling
tiff, jpeg, png ...)

https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CO
NFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&email1=tcltk%40gentoo.org&emailassigned_t
o1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=2929948&query_format=advanced&resoluti
on=---


I joined the herd because lot's of science packages are depending on
tcl/tk, but I need to cut down a little. So hopefully we will find
someone else. In case there are question, feel free to contact me.

Justin


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: tcltk herd empty

[Joshua Kinard]

On 10/04/2015 03:08, Duncan wrote:
> Dale posted on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 01:06:43 -0500 as excerpted:
> 
>> P. S.  I'm getting a error message on your OpenPGP.  I get this:
>> "Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found".
>> If that is caused by something on your end, may want to look into it.
> 
> That bit's easily explained -- the PGP trigger token (begin pgp 
> signed..., not duplicating it exactly here to prevent a similar problem) 
> remained in the material quoted (several levels deep, in fact) from an 
> earlier post.  Your client obviously triggered on it even embedded in the 
> quote, however, understandably rather confusing you.
> 
> You might consider filing that as a bug with SeaMonkey upstream, since 
> trying to PGP-verify within a quote is fraught with so many problems, 
> including attribution confusion if by some miracle the quoted material 
> can be correctly detected and separated from the quote markers and hasn't 
> been rewrapped or otherwise damaged, so that it actually does verify, 
> that it's not a good idea.  The problem of course is knowing that it's a 
> quote and thus not to trigger, but being a part of a multi-line block of 
> text with initial ">" markers is reasonable enough indication of it being 
> in a quote, I'd say, even if other styles of quoting aren't so accurately 
> detectable.

Probably more Enigmail upstream.  Or does Mozilla Seamonkey include PGP/GPG
functionality?  I only use the browser component of that.  Been using
Thunderbird+Enigmail for quite a long time for PGP/GPG.  enigmail is picking up
on the embedded PGP marker as well and displaying a blue bar for me on some of
the messages in this thread.

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Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
6144R/F5C6C943 2015-04-27
177C 1972 1FB8 F254 BAD0 3E72 5C63 F4E3 F5C6 C943

"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us.  And our
lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

Re: [gentoo-dev] tcltk herd empty

[Daniel Campbell]

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Hash: SHA256

On 10/04/2015 01:15 AM, Justin Lecher (jlec) wrote:
> On 30/09/15 15:02, Justin (jlec) wrote:
>> Hi,
> 
>> is no active maintainer for tcltk in Gentoo anymore.
> 
>> Please stand up or try to remove tcltk support from your
>> packages.
> 
>> Justin
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> so it seems there is some interest.
> 
> Following things are to be done:
> 
> 1. Stable tcl/tk-8.6 There have been some API changes, so packages
> exhibit needed to be adopted.
> 
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=tcltk-8.6
> 
> But there are only 5 bugs left.
> 
> 2. General package maintenance tcltk is maintaining quite some
> packages which have open bugs from time to time. Nothing serious
> (except for tkimg, which is bundling tiff, jpeg, png ...)
> 
> https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=
CO
>
> 
NFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&email1=tcltk%40gentoo.org&emailassigned_t
> o1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=2929948&query_format=advanced&resolu
ti
>
> 
on=---
> 
> 
> I joined the herd because lot's of science packages are depending
> on tcl/tk, but I need to cut down a little. So hopefully we will
> find someone else. In case there are question, feel free to contact
> me.
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
> 

I'll join the herd as well, if the packages seem to be somewhat
low-maintenance. I'm looking for a job closer to home, so when I get
one I'll have more time to work on Gentoo. I'll add myself to herd and
alias, if we have one. When I get the chance, I'll learn more about
tcl/tk.
- -- 
Daniel Campbell - Gentoo Developer
OpenPGP Key: 0x1EA055D6 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
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