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([2604:6000:130f:8161::2604]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s2sm9810564ioa.70.2018.01.10.05.49.31 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Jan 2018 05:49:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <1515581849.31546.22.camel@gentoo.org> From: kuzetsa Message-ID: <55c6983b-511c-aeb6-c7ef-6f5848ccc797@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:49:04 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1515581849.31546.22.camel@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S2YvvcUOZweizHWoodvxZfWMqplO6IH8x" X-Archives-Salt: cb3f244b-ca34-4834-b565-006254fb7c17 X-Archives-Hash: 3c0015b0add6af188a97c751682cbc70 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --S2YvvcUOZweizHWoodvxZfWMqplO6IH8x Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="f0ltV9lKDeuQOtK3QjOpUu2ms7oeuYDR2"; protected-headers="v1" From: kuzetsa To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Message-ID: <55c6983b-511c-aeb6-c7ef-6f5848ccc797@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upcoming posting restrictions on the gentoo-dev mailing list References: <1685019.DAF74n7IXa@pinacolada> <20180110054855.GA4483@angelfall.a21an.org> <20180110085511.71b42c93@abudhabi.paradoxon.rec> <1515581849.31546.22.camel@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <1515581849.31546.22.camel@gentoo.org> --f0ltV9lKDeuQOtK3QjOpUu2ms7oeuYDR2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 01/10/2018 05:57 AM, David Seifert wrote: > On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 08:55 +0100, Lars Wendler wrote: >> On Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:48:56 +0300 Eray Aslan wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 10:20:56PM +0100, Andreas K. Huettel wrote: >>>> * Posting to the list will only be possible to Gentoo developers >>>> and >>>> whitelisted additional participants. =20 >>> This is so contrary to what I and I thought Gentoo stands for: >>> openness, transparency, inclusiveness even when these require a >>> rather >>> thick skin and result in high noise. It's a price worth paying. >>> >>> I guess I should a) pay more attention to council elections b) >>> consider >>> the idea that the whole council thing as it stands now is just not >>> working. >>> >> Wow. I couldn't have said it better.=20 >> Seems we're turning into an elitist club or something...=20 >> I wonder how many users we're going to loose on this one. Well done >> council :-( >> > If your only reason to use Gentoo is because you can post to the main > developer ML, and not because we try to provide a great distribution > with lots of choice, a current toolchain and lots of customization, > then you're likely using the wrong distribution. > If development of a quality distribution which meets these goals requires thick skin, something is broken: I've never seen anything from the gentoo foundation which suggests that the gentoo developer mail list should be considered a safe space for disparaging remarks. Think of the messaging on this - for every 1 or 2 people who are willing to come forward to address these concerns, there are likely "not zero" who didn't want to deal with confrontation and the risk that rudeness and hostile behavior would be defended. --f0ltV9lKDeuQOtK3QjOpUu2ms7oeuYDR2-- --S2YvvcUOZweizHWoodvxZfWMqplO6IH8x Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEMH8xDp5tbsOKHqmmvk1O/QUpfGcFAlpWGeoACgkQvk1O/QUp fGdy1w/+PFoG69e/hoPWlFnXrPiVjgy6FgjNNjb7//fXzPHK2iJG5WnioOmJpXkM rbyC/tRIlx6s3JirpGS/zYJB0oq7xtxuMSRm+q/sEJIz6OUNz9gGPZVQ3YDqZ/VQ YUte6y2YWNIbGS4adNLZiXFK3BX7luPnz7xB9VVq5wcV4wl+ex+xJ9ByXR0FynQd 3v2w/gcZE4S5rjs/hUcPk84WUc3PP9nwsPgMXJEsfBf3xtPPnHCNEjBW8Prf12nh vQILR3wxSQZe+g71K7uRdqgn15A6fJcwVelvdBZdWA2DCbdexhvN4T3ovtAESx/x LXqKwVGuvP2fko4v9aLtjqS/2rAm2rRfBqKvZxdDIjtDXAU5K+MTy4AZVjy+VY+8 +EYgpT4hZsnfbF7qYLivNAtQp/KH6tx0lwStO5J5du46Sp0u2mh6NMTeN+vyBnaO 0IR8ImiCjzmkgtPEqT8U2+vKCJdy7wzvmGiG7mdNLhVr1EbQ6P5zstNfTMUNRcWW x5yvqlfP+cobK9aw5RSO18fi6tszT59sB5j9vXixpaokrFPgRWl9lSUuXJp47BfO gud8yI4rb66vh2ke8D+CghoJKS4y+3vCo9mHAmgT3GmVMcllJfK31dJQNrvIeyDw GFR2GEqnXDH1TS5ePv7wWfxiUmfXhs9ULOWpCTuHeahLDBKDBBU= =vajK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --S2YvvcUOZweizHWoodvxZfWMqplO6IH8x--