From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665171395E4 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DCADE07D5; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f171.google.com (mail-wi0-f171.google.com [209.85.212.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB389E07BA for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2015 14:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicmv11 with SMTP id mv11so137388832wic.0 for ; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zRQkJE1qwIp4T+Z+Yf6nf05h570/Q/cF/0oSnIRUOWU=; b=L7iiAp8E/5cs5bE55tkr18V5Ac/hRz3TLhJpRFyNsyI6B8VqVwLobANafmWkv5AAfv oSH30/WGzndp3rigntx0VizH3hGfx5QIsCiz3Gy9CwaRV3EIIO2v/igB89Qu7fbrbErQ /jVRC8xEpguBfBOXwuNed0g6MAE+QzqFgNgzOh79ZQLHGFV+9MrTzCLJtKosDgtd+h+p V4f3iVMGh53ILuSYYf4PG9b0T+NPuolQImUoCEHGUaiqAfVzfXpUmGu8gq42knFEsGbv GlN4eMlfG7243QD8Yn69j3wj5j/PRli5oEcGJ24x7dpQ3CKy+t6G7mdzisODr64KAEXF WVeg== X-Received: by 10.194.93.198 with SMTP id cw6mr36389494wjb.113.1438611017671; Mon, 03 Aug 2015 07:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.41] (105-237-246-186.access.mtnbusiness.co.za. [105.237.246.186]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id ec19sm13756527wic.0.2015.08.03.07.10.15 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Aug 2015 07:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: useflag policies To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <636F964E-D55C-490F-A09D-325E5B79BF46@gentoo.org> <55BF677E.3060105@gmail.com> From: Alan McKinnon X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55BF7640.80606@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 16:10:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55BF677E.3060105@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d862d5d9-82d9-46da-92e7-bf5deea0676f X-Archives-Hash: a89acb20c15dcbaa4b20979194960849 On 03/08/2015 15:07, Dale wrote: > Michael Palimaka wrote: >> On 03/08/15 07:14, NP-Hardass wrote: >>> ^^ has the pleasant side effect of being easier to read, as a user. The >>> user receives a message saying "at-most-one-of" instead of some >>> convoluted other expression that they don't understand. >>> >>> I am all for the use of ^^ add the default for this reason. >> This introduces a usability nightmare for anyone with both qt4 and qt5 >> in their global USE flags (a common configuration). >> >> >> > > > As a Gentoo user. This is what I have set and what I hope to get > because of the settings. I have both qt4 and qt5 set in make.conf for > my USE flags. I expect qt5 for whatever packages can work with qt5 and > qt4 for whatever isn't ready for qt5 but requires qt. If for some > reason a package isn't quite ready for qt5 and won't function correctly > for me, I can always set that in package.use until it is. My current > entries for this: > > media-libs/phonon-vlc qt5 > media-video/mkvtoolnix -qt5 > > I don't have notes on that so not sure what was ran into to require > those. I may comment those out and give them another try. > > Point of this post, provide a little user info about expectations and > settings. Y'all sort out the best way forward and let us know if we > need to change something. :-) Dale and I think alike. I also have Qt4 and Qt5 installed, and I expect packages that use them to link to the version that works better (understanding that "better" is usually the opinion of upstream and the devs). If I decide I care about which one works better for a given package, then I'm happy to package.use but mostly I like that file to be as empty as I can get it. What I don't want is for the machinery to give the impression that I can't just go with whatever the dev put in the ebuild for the general case. I also don't want to have to keep going back to use.desc because it's not obvious what the flag probably does. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com