From: Matthew Thode <prometheanfire@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:19:21 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5550D689.2010606@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOnawYosQR57gqscbT6a3Hd1Unoe0k=TubEMfc0vT55B4D6XZw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 05/11/2015 10:21 AM, C Bergström wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:44 AM, C Bergström <cbergstrom@pathscale.com> wrote:
>>> What I'm describing is not "gmail" - it's everything that gmail has
>>> and offers, but @gentoo.org domain. I'm using it right now in fact.
>>>
>>> You get the web interface, IMAP, POP, 2 token authentication (if you
>>> want to enabled it) and lots of other things. etc etc
>>
>> How about the source code?
>
> Do you have the source for github?
No, but we get flack for that all the time, I'd personally like to see
us use bitbucket as they have a more opensource and doc'd stack.
>
>>
>>>
>>> It used to be free, but now google charges for it with an exception
>>> for non-profits.
>>
>> The social contract isn't about free-of-cost. In fact, Gentoo pays
>> for a number of services (often below commercial rates, but not
>> everybody can afford to donate 100% of what we need). We've even paid
>> for a bug bounty on one occasion. The social contract is about
>> free-as-in-freedom. We don't depend on proprietary services as much
>> as possible.
>>
>> We even have debates over the use of github, since the pull request
>> side isn't really FOSS. It is tolerated mainly because we have FOSS
>> alternatives as well, and bugzilla is still the primary bug
>> tracker/etc. To the extent that github is just used as a hosting
>> provider for git it is completely compatible with the social contract,
>> and would be so even if we were paying for it.
>
> There are "free" alternatives and this is the exact same thing as
> github. IMAP and POP are comparable to git as google hosted apps is
> comparable to github. There's a line between being passionate and
> ignoring a sensible good alternative. I can't say where to draw that
> line, but imho I hope pragmatic people will take a look instead of
> just dismissing it.
>
> Oh and btw - the whole problem comes because people are forwarding to
> gmail. Is that open source? It's clear a large number of people
> already use and depend on the exact same service I'm suggesting. How
> on earth could those same people object... (I don't see the open
> source communit up in arms over yahoo mail and gmail..)
>
> /* I'm just trying to level the conversation in terms of "social
> contract" and what people generally find acceptable */
> Do you own a phone that connects to this email? Android, iOS.. etc
> aren't "open source", but somehow we survive..
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-05-11 16:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-05-11 4:26 [gentoo-dev] Anti-spam changes: proposal to drop spammy mail Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 7:29 ` Eray Aslan
2015-05-11 9:15 ` Tobias Klausmann
2015-05-11 19:31 ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-11 19:35 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2015-05-11 20:01 ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-11 20:08 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 20:47 ` Michael Orlitzky
2015-05-12 5:19 ` Eray Aslan
2015-05-12 10:26 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-12 10:39 ` Peter Stuge
2015-05-12 12:56 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 9:38 ` Tony Vroon
2015-05-11 10:09 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 20:36 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-12 7:18 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 12:39 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-11 12:47 ` Niels Dettenbach
2015-05-11 20:27 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-11 13:27 ` Charles Nérot
2015-05-11 13:37 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 13:59 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 14:44 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 14:59 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 15:21 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 16:17 ` Alexis Ballier
2015-05-11 16:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2015-05-11 16:32 ` Alexis Ballier
2015-05-11 16:38 ` Michał Górny
2015-05-11 16:25 ` C Bergström
2015-05-11 16:19 ` Matthew Thode [this message]
2015-05-11 16:55 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-11 17:06 ` C Bergström
2015-05-23 6:18 ` J. Roeleveld
2015-05-23 6:24 ` C Bergström
2015-05-23 11:05 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-23 6:39 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 7:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2015-05-23 8:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " James Le Cuirot
2015-05-23 11:16 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 12:32 ` Andrew Savchenko
2015-05-23 13:07 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 13:34 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 14:20 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 14:32 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 15:36 ` Rich Freeman
2015-05-23 14:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2015-05-23 14:29 ` Niels Dettenbach (Syndicat.com)
2015-05-23 16:24 ` Mike Frysinger
2015-05-11 21:10 ` Robin H. Johnson
2015-05-12 8:37 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-project] " Mike Frysinger
2015-05-12 8:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Amadeusz Żołnowski
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