From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B74138CA3 for ; Sat, 9 May 2015 08:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C249BE083D; Sat, 9 May 2015 08:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nexus.ut.mephi.ru (nexus.ut.mephi.ru [85.143.112.92]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3305E0821 for ; Sat, 9 May 2015 08:24:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.91.128] (ptr-generate-10-51-3-126.campus.mephi.ru [10.51.3.126]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dyokunev@ut.mephi.ru) by nexus.ut.mephi.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BAE8C18605AB for ; Sat, 9 May 2015 11:24:24 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ut.mephi.ru; s=utmail; t=1431159864; bh=lCLwr7h5JY4iDYq+iKR3phLxyvEiZ2qIIK/JaH52TfA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=bzx12FRpAHiVjc3kI4Nn1k80chlxLDL2NKC4UwgifbU8Z55Djox1kcR15oMktqArW zDHTWPmWaED9vPcYR0JLQdI22bc+S3rRvU8WHJ2azeuQFbpx+0p9aG2pifIX4EuWOT QndeoSA9VD5kb7XlBr69Ln5vf3mTB+KsgZu85TcA= Message-ID: <554DC435.30905@ut.mephi.ru> Date: Sat, 09 May 2015 11:24:21 +0300 From: Dmitry Yu Okunev Organization: NRNU MEPhI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130623 Thunderbird/17.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] A question to Russian Gentoo Developers Community about import software substitution References: <554D1006.1070303@ut.mephi.ru> <1856246.yijbe2TgVp@note> In-Reply-To: <1856246.yijbe2TgVp@note> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-LastMilter: passed X-LastMilter-Score: 0 X-Archives-Salt: cdee5682-0267-4ced-bd87-e13607486ba6 X-Archives-Hash: dc63519b14c66d3022ea7e9de089e2be 08.05.2015 23:05, Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov пишет: >> I had been trying to push the idea of creating an united FOSS community >> to solve problems of the higher school of the Russian Federation. But >> such initiatives faded due to absence of support of top executives… And >> now (according to e.g. [1]) it won't be a problem, IMHO. > > It would. Just because of the fact, that "top executives" (in Education Dept, > in regional ministerys and so on) is that kind of clerks, that WOULDN'T accept > anything if it is impossible to get (read as "steal") some money in personal. The link [1] shows that the _can_ get money in personal. >> And I'd prefer >> make a distribution for the higher shool based on Gentoo Linux. > > I'd also prefer, but it is not that possible as you imagine. There is such > thing as certification in Federal Security Service (FSB) and so on. 1. It's not a big problem. We can certify a release of our Gentoo based distribution. It's just need a money to pay to laboratories. Plus big universities (like my) have enough social ties to fast push such things through Russian bureaucracy machines, IMO. And we can return the spent money the same way as ALT Linux (by selling tech support coupons). 2. The Federal Service for Technical and Export Control (ФСТЭК) and Federal Security Service (ФСБ) certificates required only to process big systems with personal data (ФЗ-152). For the rest systems (like ordinal desktop) it's not required at all. >> So >> here's the Question: >> >> Does anybody interested in creating a consortium to send an application >> to the Ministry of Communications? > > I'm partially interested to mentally maintain that, but I have to free time to > activelly do anything in personal (but, probably, will be fine in a group). I just offer to unite efforts. You don't need to free an additional time. We just need to find common problems and solve it together as a project for Ministry of Communications. Other good people will connect to us and meanwhile the support of the ministry will stimulate the top executives. Specifically, I'm interested in making a distribution for the higher school of Russian Federation. > But, as I said, I doubt in success of that operation. But... Let the Force be > with us... There was a lot of doubtable (but good) projects in my life. However few of them successfully started and completed. I think we _must_ try if we believe in FOSS. Sorry for this pathos :) > P.S. I'd not use politic-related phrases (like "import software substitution") > in international communities at all and here in particular. Sorry for that. I was thinking that it's better to make subject more concrete. Best regards, Dmitry.