From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3D14139694 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E0F1121C090; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from forward1m.cmail.yandex.net (forward1m.cmail.yandex.net [5.255.216.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82E8E21C03E for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 20:11:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp1o.mail.yandex.net (smtp1o.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1a2d::25]) by forward1m.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 662EB21179 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:11:10 +0300 (MSK) Received: from smtp1o.mail.yandex.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1o.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 3ED3A1300652 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:11:09 +0300 (MSK) Received: by smtp1o.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id Wf19MkMxv2-B8gKRrUw; Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:11:08 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) X-Yandex-Suid-Status: 1 0 From: "Vadim A. Misbakh-Soloviov" To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Reverse use of Python/Ruby versions Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 03:11:08 +0700 Message-ID: <5519204.nIdx5QMEc9@note> In-Reply-To: References: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Archives-Salt: 6eac8048-101d-4a8e-a851-8c1fe146b84b X-Archives-Hash: d0b0771267d8619fc0af533c7efe6986 > painless option for users. Well... If a bit of mind work is pain... So, then I'd say that Gentoo is no= t=20 about avoiding such pain. Did you hear about Gentoo Philosophy? It says that point of Gentoo to appear was to give users possibility to mak= e=20 exact "tool" they wants to use, but not decide anything for them. So, if a person wants to avoid thinking about some aspect of the system=20 maintenance, then Gentoo is not recommended for this person and the person= =20 should consider to use some distro made by "Big Fat Corporations" (like=20 Ubuntu, Fedora/RHEL, SuSE and whatever). They're very like to dictate what = and=20 how should user do, and what should not. And there is all that things alrea= dy=20 decided by BigBro's and users should not take care of any of that. I can't understand people who refuse to get as complete knowledge as possib= le=20 about tools/instruments they using (including OS). Would you learn how does a hammer work before applying it to the nails? Or = do=20 you say "The only painless option for users is to make it spheric" instead? And same for Gentoo: if you want to use something =E2=80=94 please, conside= r to get a=20 bit knowledge about how do it working. And it will be huge karma bonus for= =20 you, if you'll research the reasons why did it done in that way, and not=20 another before complaining (why did wheels invented to be round, but not=20 square? Square wheels are more stable on a flat surface, while round ones=20 makes wagon to constantly move, while I loading my baggage on it). I mean: most of the time, if you having trouble with something, it is most= =20 likely *you* (not you personally, but some abastract Freud-ish "you") doing= =20 something wrong, then the tool you're using is badly designed. And if you=20 dislike the tool's design, you're free to take analogous tool from the riva= ls=20 (and take that one you'd like). Thanks for attention, wbr, mva