* [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded)
@ 2014-08-31 14:13 Samuli Suominen
2014-09-01 0:37 ` Patrick Lauer
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Samuli Suominen @ 2014-08-31 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Trying to raise awareness:
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=be2ea723b1d023b3d385d3b791ee4607cbfb20ca
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuild?r1=1.317&r2=1.318
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuild?r1=1.318&r2=1.319
I will release a GLEP 42 news item *at the same time* =sys-fs/udev-217
is released into ~arch, so nobody
will get caught off guard
Consider this message a prenotice, now you know it's gone
- Samuli
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded)
2014-08-31 14:13 [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded) Samuli Suominen
@ 2014-09-01 0:37 ` Patrick Lauer
2014-09-01 3:30 ` Samuli Suominen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Patrick Lauer @ 2014-09-01 0:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On Sunday 31 August 2014 17:13:49 Samuli Suominen wrote:
> Trying to raise awareness:
>
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=be2ea723b1d023b3d385d
> 3b791ee4607cbfb20ca
>
What are the effects for end-users?
Will things just quietly fail hard (e.g. radeon driver -> no firmware -> screen
corrupted/black)?
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuild
> ?r1=1.317&r2=1.318
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuil
> d?r1=1.318&r2=1.319
>
> I will release a GLEP 42 news item *at the same time* =sys-fs/udev-217
> is released into ~arch, so nobody
> will get caught off guard
>
> Consider this message a prenotice, now you know it's gone
... one more win for eudev. Sigh.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded)
2014-09-01 0:37 ` Patrick Lauer
@ 2014-09-01 3:30 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-09-01 10:08 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-11-11 6:41 ` Mike Frysinger
0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Samuli Suominen @ 2014-09-01 3:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 01/09/14 03:37, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> On Sunday 31 August 2014 17:13:49 Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> Trying to raise awareness:
>>
>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=be2ea723b1d023b3d385d
>> 3b791ee4607cbfb20ca
>>
> What are the effects for end-users?
Nothing if they follow the CONFIG_CHECK that tells them to set
CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=n.
And it's it's left to =y or they don't upgrade kernel _at least_ to 3.7,
i.e. not paying attention, then...
>
> Will things just quietly fail hard (e.g. radeon driver -> no firmware -> screen
> corrupted/black)?
...this.
>
>
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuild
>> ?r1=1.317&r2=1.318
>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuil
>> d?r1=1.318&r2=1.319
>>
>> I will release a GLEP 42 news item *at the same time* =sys-fs/udev-217
>> is released into ~arch, so nobody
>> will get caught off guard
>>
>> Consider this message a prenotice, now you know it's gone
> ... one more win for eudev. Sigh.
>
They are planning in dropping the userspace loader as well, it's
redudant afterall.
Most firmware are kernel loadable by >= 3.7
Everything is kernel loadable (3.7 and few later versions had some
exceptions for more rare drivers) in latest
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded)
2014-09-01 3:30 ` Samuli Suominen
@ 2014-09-01 10:08 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-11-11 6:41 ` Mike Frysinger
1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Anthony G. Basile @ 2014-09-01 10:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 08/31/14 23:30, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 01/09/14 03:37, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>> On Sunday 31 August 2014 17:13:49 Samuli Suominen wrote:
>>> Trying to raise awareness:
>>>
>>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=be2ea723b1d023b3d385d
>>> 3b791ee4607cbfb20ca
>>>
>> What are the effects for end-users?
> Nothing if they follow the CONFIG_CHECK that tells them to set
> CONFIG_FW_LOADER_USER_HELPER=n.
> And it's it's left to =y or they don't upgrade kernel _at least_ to 3.7,
> i.e. not paying attention, then...
>
>> Will things just quietly fail hard (e.g. radeon driver -> no firmware -> screen
>> corrupted/black)?
> ...this.
>
>>
>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuild
>>> ?r1=1.317&r2=1.318
>>> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/sys-fs/udev/udev-9999.ebuil
>>> d?r1=1.318&r2=1.319
>>>
>>> I will release a GLEP 42 news item *at the same time* =sys-fs/udev-217
>>> is released into ~arch, so nobody
>>> will get caught off guard
>>>
>>> Consider this message a prenotice, now you know it's gone
>> ... one more win for eudev. Sigh.
>>
> They are planning in dropping the userspace loader as well, it's
> redudant afterall.
>
> Most firmware are kernel loadable by >= 3.7
> Everything is kernel loadable (3.7 and few later versions had some
> exceptions for more rare drivers) in latest
>
We are in the middle of assessing whether we should drop this code or
not for backwards compatibility.
--
Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D.
Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
E-Mail : blueness@gentoo.org
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded)
2014-09-01 3:30 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-09-01 10:08 ` Anthony G. Basile
@ 2014-11-11 6:41 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-11-11 10:15 ` Anthony G. Basile
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mike Frysinger @ 2014-11-11 6:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
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On 01 Sep 2014 06:30, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> On 01/09/14 03:37, Patrick Lauer wrote:
> >> Consider this message a prenotice, now you know it's gone
> > ... one more win for eudev. Sigh.
>
> They are planning in dropping the userspace loader as well, it's
> redudant afterall.
>
> Most firmware are kernel loadable by >= 3.7
> Everything is kernel loadable (3.7 and few later versions had some
> exceptions for more rare drivers) in latest
echo /bin/busybox mdev > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
-mike
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] udev-9999 (and upcoming 217) no longer has userspace firmware loader (will need Linux 3.7 for firmware's to be loaded)
2014-11-11 6:41 ` Mike Frysinger
@ 2014-11-11 10:15 ` Anthony G. Basile
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Anthony G. Basile @ 2014-11-11 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
On 11/11/14 01:41, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On 01 Sep 2014 06:30, Samuli Suominen wrote:
>> On 01/09/14 03:37, Patrick Lauer wrote:
>>>> Consider this message a prenotice, now you know it's gone
>>> ... one more win for eudev. Sigh.
>> They are planning in dropping the userspace loader as well, it's
>> redudant afterall.
>>
>> Most firmware are kernel loadable by >= 3.7
>> Everything is kernel loadable (3.7 and few later versions had some
>> exceptions for more rare drivers) in latest
> echo /bin/busybox mdev > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
> -mike
I will continue to maintain eudev 1.10.x which has userland firmware
loading support. Versions 2.0 and above removed it.
--
Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D.
Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened]
E-Mail : blueness@gentoo.org
GnuPG FP : 1FED FAD9 D82C 52A5 3BAB DC79 9384 FA6E F52D 4BBA
GnuPG ID : F52D4BBA
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