From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B8E13877A for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6265CE0963; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43850E0955 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:58:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id b17so3828866lan.11 for ; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type; bh=gKKaITvQF7rPI0p3N/IlPRvdSi0hTUzU5C+L8HmMVJ8=; b=GQLfbZiuDFxYge6iBerCut5litH1Bme6ihFRdpVH9BxeZWszOpgR1sjYv3yufLZb9F dERw1Y4HWxB2OK95vafgriviakMK4munLFNg5SaHkTwc2YTL9fhPwWasQYUIEDr8XHKV 5lqccHZZrYxfAzKlb7jq4dbnA5i3VzyYR6AZVIMp8Z4AybKxeIb5d3iNrYTLk6rDFJNe lL69T5IB26ToQctx4e47lt2wgCdRAEiSJbFx3hn5E20E5oZVJE72WAw4huJuvV+Bd808 rRMGJPY4NMCIWGtXENc3hLYc9MgsUCxtvMtrNoymYe13C/9rnlx+yj89J5R71rOHKqYL /Q+w== X-Received: by 10.112.14.199 with SMTP id r7mr21745333lbc.58.1407517119522; Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.60.64] (office.healtech.ru. [89.208.21.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dk4sm5168854lbb.38.2014.08.08.09.58.38 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <53e501be.845f700a.598f.2ad0@mx.google.com> X-Google-Original-Message-ID: <26352819.20140808205837@gmail.com>> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 20:58:37 +0400 From: Igor X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] minimalistic emerge In-Reply-To: References: <53e4ccbd.c2b4700a.3bec.2414@mx.google.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------068175143045BAEC4" X-Archives-Salt: fbf14a82-279b-47b6-9457-f6409e10d275 X-Archives-Hash: 55e8aa220ac06cc7d04fce84f06869ab ------------068175143045BAEC4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kent, Friday, August 8, 2014, 7:51:22 PM, you wrote: There's no way to communicate to a user what you will and will not do with = the software, so its impossible to know what flaws you will and won't encou= nter, so the dependencies thus declare a minimum for expected working behav= iour for *all* a software's functionality, not just your user-specific subs= et. Maintainers have no feedback from their ebuilds, they all do their best but= there are no tools=20 to formalize their work. No compass. They have no access to user=20 space where the packages are installed, unaware how users are using their e= builds. It's the design=20 failure that hunts Gentoo from the start - no global intellectual bug track= ing system. Doing not mistakes - not possible, the automated tracking sub-systems should be there but... w= e are where we are.=20 If the first portage had the stats in any shape Gentoo would be better now.= A year ago I wanted to program it=20 but I was in a very huge project that I'm still coding :-((( it's life or d= eath project for me and I can't=20 move out of it or I will sleep on a street.=20 I appreciate all the work everyone is done on Gentoo in free time and I app= reciate even more that you really found=20 that time in this world and this life not saying but really doing. It's my = best system and I only hope that someday=20 I would be able to contribute to it as many of you did. If you wish to override that decision, you may, but your self-supporting fr= om that point on. TL;DR =3D just because it works /for you/, doesn't mean it /isn't broken/ a= nd doesn't mean the minimum declaration is "unnecessary" for all users.=20 Agree.=20 --=20 Best regards, Igor mailto:lanthruster@gmail.com ------------068175143045BAEC4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [gentoo-dev] minimalistic emerge Kent,

Friday, August 8, 2014, 7:51:22 PM, you wrote:


 Maintainers ha= ve no feedback from their ebuilds, they all do their best but there are no = tools 
to formalize their work. No compass. They have no access to user 
space where the packages are installed, unaware how users are using their e= builds. It's the design 
failure that hunts Gentoo from the start - no global intellectual bug track= ing system. Doing not mistakes
- not possible, the automated tracking sub-systems should be there but... w= e are where we are. 

If the first portage had the stats in any shape Gentoo would be better now.= A year ago I wanted to program it 
but I was in a very huge project that I'm still coding :-((( it's life or d= eath project for me and I can't 
move out of it or I will sleep on a street. 

I appreciate all the work everyone is done on Gentoo in free time and I app= reciate even more that you really found 
that time in this world and this life not saying but really doing. It's my = best system and I only hope that someday 
I would be able to contribute to it as many of you did.

If you wish to= override that decision, you may, but your self-supporting from that point = on.


TL;DR =3D just because it works /for you/, doesn't mean it /isn't broken/ a= nd doesn't mean the minimum declaration is "unnecessary" for all users.&nbs= p;


Agree. 
--=  
Best regards,
 Igor                   &= nbsp;        mailto:lanthruster@gmail.c= om ------------068175143045BAEC4--