From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCE813877A for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B95EE084E; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4816CE083D for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.3.7] (cpe-74-77-145-97.buffalo.res.rr.com [74.77.145.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: blueness) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27AA73401DA for ; Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53D8C845.70701@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 06:26:13 -0400 From: "Anthony G. Basile" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] About current ppc/ppc64 status References: <1406316517.20388.22.camel@gentoo.org> <53D3955B.7000007@gentoo.org> <1406375762.20388.38.camel@gentoo.org> <201407261455.51134.dilfridge@gentoo.org> <1406381331.20388.44.camel@gentoo.org> <53D3AF33.2020400@gentoo.org> <1406382285.20388.48.camel@gentoo.org> <53D40FBF.8060906@gentoo.org> <20140730021634.GA15473@toyama.bonyari.local> In-Reply-To: <20140730021634.GA15473@toyama.bonyari.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: e068b298-e498-4e9f-8122-12c49c088cca X-Archives-Hash: ec3180ecc7dbe2f3c60337e565c8fda2 On 07/29/14 22:16, Jack Morgan wrote: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 04:29:51PM -0400, Anthony G. Basile wrote: >> On 07/26/14 09:44, Pacho Ramos wrote: >>> El sáb, 26-07-2014 a las 09:37 -0400, Anthony G. Basile escribió: >>>> On 07/26/14 09:28, Pacho Ramos wrote: >>>>> El sáb, 26-07-2014 a las 14:55 +0200, Andreas K. Huettel escribió: >>>>>> Am Samstag, 26. Juli 2014, 13:56:02 schrieb Pacho Ramos: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I guess we will need to wait for the next Council to officially decide >>>>>>> to do this as it will be a big change for ppc* users :/ (I remember >>>>>>> their action was needed for the move to testing of some arches and the >>>>>>> "package-by-package" proposal for others) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, I am not sure if any other arch teams (sparc, ia64?) would want to >>>>>>> get this policy too :| (I got ppc* because this concrete case ;)) >>>>>> At first this is an arch team decision. No need for the council. >>>>>> >>>>>> (Given that in this case there is a responsive and addressable arch team...) >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Andreas K. Huettel >>>>>> Gentoo Linux developer >>>>>> dilfridge@gentoo.org >>>>>> http://www.akhuettel.de/ >>>>>> >>>>> The problem is that blueness looks to be the only member currently >>>>> replying :/, I have checked their page and I see no team lead or >>>>> similar. Then, I am not sure how to get the ok to proceed or not :| (to >>>>> prevent this from getting stalled and we keep trying stabilizing all the >>>>> things). >>>>> >>>>> I remember from older thread (one related with udev stabilization), that >>>>> blueness was also the only one replying. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Yeah, not having a clear lead is a problem. No one wants to just make a >>>> big decision on behalf of the team without making sure everyone is on >>>> board. Pacho, do you have access to timberdoodle? If so, join both >>>> teams and just take the initiative and let any other "claimants" step >>>> forward now. BTW, taking the lead doesn't mean doing all the work >>>> yourself. I want to see ppc/ppc64 in good shape. I'll be happy to >>>> write scripts to do the demoting to ~ etc etc. >>>> >>> I don't even know about timberdoodle :( >>> >>> I forwarded the mail to both alias (as I forgot first time), then, >>> hopefully they will review it :/ >>> >>> Will CC them again to this just now with this link to allow all to read >>> the full thread: >>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/92151 >>> >>> >>> >> I think its clear who cares about ppc/ppc64. If there are no >> objections, I'll take the lead of those teams and see this plan >> through. I'll wait a few days for people to voice concerns. Then I'll >> start by generating a list of all stable and testing packages on ppc and >> ppc64. I'll post then and then continue the conversation on just the >> ppc and ppc64 lists. Don't worry, I won't start dropping to ~ until we >> have a concise plan and we're all on board. > > I don't think you can/should just take over the leadership of an arch. > Why not have meeting/discussion for team members. Especially since you > are proposing such a big change. > > > Thanks, > Okay, any members of the ppc team please speak up. I'll wait a week. -- Anthony G. Basile, Ph.D. Gentoo Linux Developer [Hardened] E-Mail : blueness@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 1FED FAD9 D82C 52A5 3BAB DC79 9384 FA6E F52D 4BBA GnuPG ID : F52D4BBA