From: Ian Stakenvicius <axs@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 13:39:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <53D29657.7070503@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53D2958D.2000203@gentoo.org>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256
On 25/07/14 01:36 PM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote:
> On 25/07/14 01:15 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
>
>>>> Maybe this could be solved by having two kinds of revisions:
>>>> - One would rebuild all as usually (for example, -r1...) -
>>>> The other one would only regenerate VDB and wouldn't change
>>>> the installed files (for example, -r1.1)
>>>>
>>>> But I am not sure if it could be viable from a "technical"
>>>> point of view :(
>>>
>>> I'm afraid it couldn't. The major problem is not knowing
>>> *when* to migrate metadata, portage usually gets that right.
>>> The problem is in getting the correct output which is often
>>> near to impossible.
>
>> I think we'd appreciate some more information here:
>
>> * What exactly is the metadata that we're talking about? * How
>> much of it can be generated by sourcing the ebuild, without
>> running phases? * When does that exactly break? Example?
>
>
> It may help this overall discussion to step back even further
> here:
>
> * What do we want to accomplish, exactly?
>
> - allow portage to emerge updated packages without rebuilding them
> (ie running src_* and pkg_*inst phases), when it can be determined
> from metadata changes (or for -rX.Y method perhaps it is assumed
> -just- on filename changes) that this is not necessary.
>
> * What are all of the cases that would validly trigger this
> dont-bother-to-run-phases shortcut?
>
> - addition of missing dependency [1] - new useflag not enabled by
> default - removed useflag that was not previously enabled -
> changing of dependency atom(s) -- ie swapping a specific atom to
> virtual one - EAPI bump (maybe??) - .... <-- add more please!
>
>
> * For each of the above, in what cases is a full rebuild probably
> necessary anyhow??
>
> - dependency atom minimum version is increased, and the in-VDB
> version of this dep is too old (??) - new dependency atom is
> missing from VDB (??) - EAPI bump adds new entries to VDB that need
> to be calculated from say, merge phase - ....
>
>
>
> ..i think from there we can perhaps determine what metadata could
> be updated and/or needs to be updated to maintain consistency in
> the dont-rebuild cases we want.
>
I forgot: [1] since the package has merged prior to this anyhow,
whatever dependency it was must have been installed already when this
package was emerged. So if it can still be found in vdb then we
should be safe to add the dependency to vdb of this package, otherwise
we may need to trigger a rebuild.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v2
iF4EAREIAAYFAlPSllcACgkQ2ugaI38ACPCL3QD+ITe3bzJrJIORniniY9rzTEd5
W5nmL5zB+HiZuMZKdZQA/jrn88lx8bfn/f6DetPdrYiFjjShcXoeMbh5nCNmtcz9
=LEAi
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-07-25 17:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 276+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-07-21 19:37 [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps hasufell
2014-07-21 19:42 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 19:50 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 20:06 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 20:13 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-21 20:12 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 20:17 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 20:28 ` hasufell
2014-07-21 20:41 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-22 22:05 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-08-27 16:18 ` Jan Matejka
2014-07-21 20:49 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:01 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:06 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:13 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 22:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 21:11 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-22 22:22 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 13:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 21:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-25 8:36 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-26 12:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:33 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-21 19:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-21 19:55 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:06 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-21 21:15 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-07-21 21:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-21 21:25 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:30 ` Maxim Kammerer
2014-07-26 12:52 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:54 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:00 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:57 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 7:39 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 7:52 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-22 9:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 13:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-22 18:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 18:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-23 4:11 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 18:51 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 19:10 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 19:26 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 20:06 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 20:40 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-22 20:51 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-23 13:15 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-26 11:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-23 1:15 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-25 8:38 ` Duncan
2014-07-26 11:31 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 22:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 0:01 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-24 22:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 13:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 14:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 14:59 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 15:09 ` hasufell
2014-07-25 15:15 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:23 ` hasufell
2014-07-25 15:26 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:44 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 7:14 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-26 12:41 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:49 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:04 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:09 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 15:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 11:42 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-27 11:50 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:01 ` [gentoo-dev] Behaving productively on the list Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-27 12:04 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:07 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-27 12:26 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 12:06 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps Samuli Suominen
2014-07-27 12:31 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 13:11 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 11:54 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 11:57 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 13:47 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-28 6:35 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-30 4:45 ` Alexander Tsoy
2014-07-30 5:36 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-30 7:22 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-30 7:38 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-30 11:18 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-30 11:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-30 12:38 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-08-12 21:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 12:56 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-08-01 21:38 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Martin Vaeth
2014-08-02 5:19 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS Ulrich Mueller
2014-08-02 9:30 ` [gentoo-dev] PMS Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:08 ` [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-23 13:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 1:45 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-25 15:01 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-25 15:53 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-25 18:26 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 13:29 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-25 8:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Pacho Ramos
2014-07-26 13:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:32 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 12:44 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 13:16 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:20 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:53 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 14:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:11 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:40 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:51 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 14:30 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 14:43 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 15:38 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 19:31 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-24 22:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-25 8:51 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-25 17:15 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-07-25 17:36 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-25 17:39 ` Ian Stakenvicius [this message]
2014-07-26 17:47 ` Taahir Ahmed
2014-07-26 18:21 ` Taahir Ahmed
2014-07-26 13:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 13:46 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:01 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:09 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:14 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-21 20:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-21 21:13 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-21 21:22 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-21 22:52 ` William Hubbs
2014-07-22 0:36 ` hasufell
2014-07-22 9:42 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 19:42 ` William Hubbs
2014-07-22 1:05 ` Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
2014-07-22 5:10 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:06 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 4:36 ` Patrick Lauer
2014-07-26 13:55 ` [gentoo-dev] binpkg (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 19:18 ` [gentoo-dev] don't rely on dynamic deps Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 22:52 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 1:34 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-07-22 23:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 2:05 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-07-26 14:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:29 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:18 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-25 7:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-22 22:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-21 21:52 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 7:25 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-22 18:44 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-22 18:50 ` Alexander Berntsen
2014-07-22 23:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 8:53 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-26 14:12 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 22:43 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 7:16 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 10:16 ` [gentoo-dev] Avoiding rebuilds (was: don't rely on dynamic deps) Ulrich Mueller
2014-07-27 12:19 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 13:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Avoiding rebuilds hasufell
2014-07-28 5:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 15:15 ` Brian Dolbec
2014-08-01 9:35 ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-01 20:49 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-08-02 13:19 ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-03 15:14 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 10:43 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: don't rely on dynamic deps Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 12:04 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:46 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:57 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-28 18:27 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 18:35 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-22 19:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:32 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 1:21 ` hasufell
2014-07-23 13:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 19:26 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-22 23:21 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 12:19 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-22 8:21 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-22 8:32 ` Kristian Fiskerstrand
2014-07-22 9:25 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-07-22 17:03 ` Sven Vermeulen
2014-07-22 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-22 17:32 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 8:33 ` Samuli Suominen
2014-07-22 23:36 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-23 12:14 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-25 21:59 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 17:12 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-07-26 19:21 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 19:30 ` Michael Palimaka
2014-08-12 21:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 14:25 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-08-12 22:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-22 11:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " hasufell
2014-07-26 14:09 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:22 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:33 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 14:40 ` hasufell
2014-07-27 7:46 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 14:32 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:27 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:29 ` hasufell
2014-07-26 16:10 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 15:35 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-26 15:59 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 16:02 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:36 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 16:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 15:39 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:05 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 16:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 16:28 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-26 16:34 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-26 18:36 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-26 18:42 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 16:27 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 14:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 14:42 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 14:56 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2014-07-27 14:59 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 15:09 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 15:16 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 17:02 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 17:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 17:16 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 17:24 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-28 6:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-28 8:26 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 9:28 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-28 13:12 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 13:29 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-28 18:50 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-28 18:57 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-29 7:33 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-29 9:12 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-29 10:20 ` Martin Vaeth
2014-07-29 10:47 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 15:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 15:52 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 16:05 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-28 4:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 20:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-27 20:51 ` Peter Stuge
2014-07-27 20:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 21:27 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 21:34 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:50 ` Kent Fredric
2014-07-27 21:54 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:14 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-27 21:08 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:17 ` Michał Górny
2014-07-27 21:26 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-27 21:33 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-07-27 21:39 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-28 5:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 22:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Arfrever Frehtes Taifersar Arahesis
2014-07-28 16:29 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-07-28 16:44 ` Rich Freeman
2014-07-28 5:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
2014-07-27 14:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-07-22 21:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-25 5:44 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-07-25 22:09 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-07-26 5:21 ` Duncan
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=53D29657.7070503@gentoo.org \
--to=axs@gentoo.org \
--cc=gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox