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From: Joshua Kinard <kumba@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:17:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53A04DF6.6050407@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGfcS_m=-tvsPyV7C7i945=5=9X8N+X0g0ma2PCnxRf2U8emjw@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/17/2014 08:49, Rich Freeman wrote:
> 
> Is there a list/etc for crossdev?  I'd think that the users and
> maintainers of crossdev collectively have the biggest vested interest
> in addressing these issues.  They're also the ones who can vouch for
> how big of a problem this is.

toolchain is the primary maintainer for crossdev.  I actually wrote the
original implementation of crossdev years ago (~2004?).  It was a crappy,
overly-complex bash script that didn't use anything portage related (that I
can remember) to install a cross-toolchain.  It worked for simple toolchains
on common arches, i.e., i686 -> mips64 for me to build kernels for the SGI
systems.  Mike rewrote it several years later to become the crossdev we know
and love today, integrating it with emerge and taking better advantage of
existing Gentoo capabilities.


> Is this having some kind of adverse impact on anybody outside of the
> crossdev community?  If the crossdev maintainers were pushing hundreds
> of packages to change to accommodate dubious design on their part I
> could see this being a distro-wide issue.  On the other hand, if this
> is an issue that only impacts crossdev users and maintainers, then I'd
> think the simplest solution would be let them sort it out.

I certainly haven't seen crossdev related issues on my systems.  Granted, I
tend to run rather simple setups, not doing things like i686-on-x86_64 or
even running X11.  From the earlier-quoted bug, it looked like some X11
package is one of several affected by the issue being highlighted here.

What I'd like to see is a list of all affected packages so we all can get a
sense of just how big the actual problem really is.  All I am hearing so far
are unsubstantiated claims of tree-wide breakage.  Knowing which packages
are broken allows other devs to look at things and maybe come to agreement
that crossdev is the source of the problem or perhaps another solution that
applies to all of them can be worked up.


> If somebody in the crossdev community does want to sort it out and the
> problem is package squatting, then that might be a valid reason to
> escalate.  In that case the cleanest solution is to have a crossdev
> project, have the interested devs step up, hold a vote for the lead,
> and then respect the lead's role in resolving the issue.  Nobody
> "owns" a package, but in general we should be careful about stepping
> in and overriding maintainers, especially if nobody is interested in
> stepping in to take the reins long-term.

I'm a member of toolchain, but that's mostly historical because I used to
play with a lot of the cross-compile stuff for MIPS and Sparc.  Mike and
Ryan are the two primaries in toolchain right now.  If they don't see a
problem with crossdev right now, then I do have to question just how big of
a problem this really is.

-- 
Joshua Kinard
Gentoo/MIPS
kumba@gentoo.org
4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28

"The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us.  And
our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."

--Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-17 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-12 15:46 [gentoo-dev] crossdev and multilib interference hasufell
2014-03-12 16:06 ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-03-12 18:56   ` Alexis Ballier
2014-03-16 11:50   ` Greg Turner
2014-03-26  6:07     ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-26 12:25       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-03-26 16:12         ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-26 16:23           ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-03-27  2:41             ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  4:41               ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-03-27  6:07                 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  6:31                   ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-03-27  6:41                     ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  6:51                       ` Michał Górny
2014-03-27  7:23                         ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  6:58                       ` Samuli Suominen
2014-03-27  8:41           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-03-28  6:36             ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-30  9:53               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-06-15 20:35                 ` hasufell
2014-06-15 20:43                   ` Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn
2014-06-16 13:37                     ` hasufell
2014-06-16 18:42                       ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-06-16 19:31                         ` hasufell
2014-06-16 19:42                           ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-06-16 19:47                             ` hasufell
2014-06-16 20:05                               ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-16 20:24                                 ` hasufell
2014-06-16 20:59                                   ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-16 22:10                                     ` hasufell
2014-06-16 23:38                                       ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-17  1:47                                         ` hasufell
2014-06-17  2:17                                           ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-17 12:30                                             ` hasufell
2014-06-17 12:49                                               ` Rich Freeman
2014-06-17 13:53                                                 ` hasufell
2014-06-17 14:17                                                 ` Joshua Kinard [this message]
2014-06-17 14:56                                                   ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-06-17 15:10                                                     ` Michał Górny
2014-06-18 15:24                                                       ` Peter Stuge
2014-06-19  7:58                                                         ` Michał Górny
2014-06-17 15:20                                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-18  5:08                                                       ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-06-18  6:24                                                         ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-18 14:18                                                           ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-06-19 21:20                                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-06-20 20:10                                                       ` [gentoo-dev] " Ian Stakenvicius
2014-06-21 10:31                                                         ` Greg Turner
2014-06-21 20:47                                                           ` Michał Górny
2014-08-01  9:05                                                         ` Steven J. Long
2014-08-01 14:36                                                           ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-08-01 18:17                                                             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-06-18  4:29                                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2014-06-17 14:04                                               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: " Joshua Kinard
2014-06-17 14:38                                                 ` hasufell
2014-06-17 15:02                                                   ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-17 15:18                                                     ` hasufell
2014-06-17 15:37                                                     ` hasufell
2014-06-17 12:48                                             ` hasufell
2014-06-17 14:31                                               ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-17 13:25                                         ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-06-17 14:22                                           ` Michał Górny
2014-06-17 14:34                                             ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-16 23:25                                   ` Patrick Lauer
2014-06-16 20:27                                 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2014-06-16 21:42                                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Jeroen Roovers
2014-06-17  0:03                                     ` Joshua Kinard
2014-06-16 20:25                         ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: " hasufell
2014-06-16  2:24                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2014-06-16 13:27                     ` hasufell
2014-06-17  4:52                       ` Ryan Hill
2014-06-17 12:29                         ` hasufell
2014-03-29  1:21       ` [gentoo-dev] " Maciej Mrozowski
2014-03-16 12:01   ` Greg Turner
2014-03-13  8:55 ` Michał Górny
2014-03-13 12:20   ` Alexandre Rostovtsev
2014-03-26  5:17   ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  6:13     ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  6:51       ` Michał Górny
2014-03-27  7:18         ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27  9:10           ` Michał Górny
2014-03-27 14:23             ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-27 14:31               ` Michał Górny
2014-03-28  6:33                 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-03-29 21:39                   ` Michał Górny

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