From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9356E13877A for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 853AFE0B29; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.228]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2B4E0B22 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.73]) by qmta15.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FQnH1o0011ap0As5FS4mi5; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:04:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([50.190.84.14]) by omta22.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FS4l1o00c0JZ7Re3iS4mBc; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:04:46 +0000 Message-ID: <53A04AF6.9010106@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 10:04:38 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: crossdev and multilib interference References: <53208139.2040509@gentoo.org> <1660834.UE1ARX9orZ@vapier> <20140327084108.GA3654@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <31757180.gTPZtqku3h@vapier> <20140330095348.GA18419@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <539E03A9.3010109@gentoo.org> <539E0563.3080302@gentoo.org> <539EF323.7020208@gentoo.org> <1402944163.8309.2.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <539F462E.6050905@gentoo.org> <20140616214257.096c93fc@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <539F49C2.6090008@gentoo.org> <539F4DFA.7020706@gentoo.org> <539F5288.1000000@gentoo.org> <539F5AB5.7000006@gentoo.org> <539F6B3C.7030807@gentoo.org> <539F8000.5080804@gentoo.org> <539F9E41.9050505@gentoo.org> <539FA536.3010401@gentoo.org> <53A034F4.2000900@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <53A034F4.2000900@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1403013886; bh=E8siRD2d1KUw9NaSxNIla79CdJKdkaBMgwb3Q6Yt06A=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=CJh3eLjZxKh0YhncGdCqGJc4NKQbjfKP1pmcGT1n+NZ7aB/wUIJ8+1IjDpdIm1VOY Di6i8t94wVi8fnMG974wQMZwUtPxCstF/62LX15Kl6fhTrkzepioTeFP7inib4Ra6P NY14ZDhFYuIB098qWNnavKtpusNjKiGLh1tZmOP/hnFd55KMfxIt9ibPy31RHmM4n2 XkNXywwLDYA5XJ4fPfZHl0WTmWZqXwYGkns3uRPzAQnKThZAvhKd8FAvI82v4R8PfH pg+zRaENJQKHBMzNJqafnSqvNEGyTtbMhN39NUdf7TkOPzaoTYWxsIOO86nbp6tOJ+ 8mn69HtZLSlPw== X-Archives-Salt: cb2fbf7f-c90e-422c-ba28-ed7e8445ed57 X-Archives-Hash: 6e7ac28c95d213064ae8a839f6406926 On 06/17/2014 08:30, hasufell wrote: > Joshua Kinard: >> On 06/16/2014 21:47, hasufell wrote: >>> Joshua Kinard: >>>> >>>> How big of a patch would this change require to the existing crossdev ebuild? >>>> >>> >>> Probably quite trivial, but since vapier said "bs" to that proposal >>> (translates to "bullshit" I guess) I'll not put any work into that. >>> >>> So there we go. If you are cool, you can just say "bs", vanish and leave >>> stable arch in a broken state. >>> >>> Not even QA cares. Great. I'll try to get it on the next council agenda >>> then. >> >> So you just take your ball and go home then? That's not how it works. >> >> Create the patch, and file it as a bug. Then, raise awareness on the ML. >> That's how development works. If your patch is reasonable and doesn't break >> things, odds are likely it'll push the other members of toolchain to >> consider incorporating it. >> >> Equally using the Council as a hammer all the time doesn't work in the >> long-term, either. If you whip a patch up, however, then not only could you >> raise this at the next council meeting, but additionally state you've gone >> that extra mile and created a patch that addresses the problem. >> >> That's taking the ball and putting it into the goal. >> > > No, that's not how opensource works. You don't work on things after > "upstream" said "not interested". > > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504824 "upstream" didn't say anywhere in that bug that they weren't interested. They countered your reasoning with a technical argument. QA even states that you need to file separate bugs for the various build failures. You could set up a master TRACKER bug for these crossdev-related issues, and then link in any existing bugs or create new ones tied to it, and that way, you have things documented. -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic