From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD00A13877A for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 10B3CE08EA; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.211]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242E8E08E5 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FBsq1o00516LCl05BC3fKG; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:03:39 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([50.190.84.14]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FC3e1o00P0JZ7Re3SC3fxH; Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:03:39 +0000 Message-ID: <539F85D6.5090108@gentoo.org> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:03:34 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] crossdev and multilib interference References: <53208139.2040509@gentoo.org> <1660834.UE1ARX9orZ@vapier> <20140327084108.GA3654@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <31757180.gTPZtqku3h@vapier> <20140330095348.GA18419@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <539E03A9.3010109@gentoo.org> <539E0563.3080302@gentoo.org> <539EF323.7020208@gentoo.org> <1402944163.8309.2.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <539F462E.6050905@gentoo.org> <20140616214257.096c93fc@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <539F49C2.6090008@gentoo.org> <539F4DFA.7020706@gentoo.org> <539F5327.4060500@gentoo.org> <20140616234208.631dc64b@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <20140616234208.631dc64b@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1402963419; bh=kvVk7Ug//jsZsdYaANOrWJWg8KLvj+WdB4IwNqobL+g=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=sRF8x9nsioyQ5MtrUJnNOZvzMWC7om8Z7881fOdib2jnuCA0fUSkj6sSzP0yFfdoh Y8b7LZmcXti+UWh06uNgrpOPBwtmE4PerTcNgHczcGVFl/K/mYU5qE8f7PIT8+KmrY hFNsPDvIAj6EiKouii9CDEFMtxX6wvV3HjhdHSy+JZgL8uxg2q0K8r3tv57iHmVj3+ uOvi6zeD22SAMcH2Pgm4ouz9oCa0ahJ9EaE1VMcr8ZaIlij/0SWobVISKOfp0onkhE KYGCZYCCTnWrzEPSIiKs7t/8NAgiEsH86uk5XfSoZEp8Kq3t6WECnBkxW4bErb4AS/ zYDn/VR5vfy0g== X-Archives-Salt: 31f47d2a-c0ad-486f-af4c-0efb29e4b4d9 X-Archives-Hash: 97e4a64fb1903aec035eae9eeef4f177 On 06/16/2014 17:42, Jeroen Roovers wrote: > On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:27:19 -0400 > Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> On 16/06/14 04:05 PM, Joshua Kinard wrote: >>> On 06/16/2014 15:47, hasufell wrote: >>>> So I don't see what else we can do here other than taking more >>>> radical steps to INFORM users of these possible breakages... and >>>> that's exactly what a hardmask is for. >>> >>> What about those of us who have been using crossdev to generate >>> cross-compilers for years w/o issue, because we run non-multilib? >>> Hardmasking crossdev to solve multilib problems doesn't accomplish >>> anything, other than just irk us. Why not hardmask the multilib >>> stuff instead and leave crossdev alone? >> >> well, we could hardmask in the multilib profiles... but that's a bit >> of a digression > > OK, let's sum it up. > > We have multilib users. > > We have crossdev users. > > Some multilib users are crossdev users. > > Some multilib users who are crossdev users have built a cross-toolchain. > > Some multilib users who have built a cross-toolchain experience bug > #500338. > > Masking crossdev would cause issues for all crossdev users. > > Masking multilib would cause issues for all multilib users. > > Masking crossdev on multilib profiles would cause issues for all users > of both crossdev and multilib who haven't built a cross-toolchain that > irks multilib > > Masking crossdev on multilib profiles would also cause issues for all > users of both crossdev and multilib who haven't built a cross-toolchain > at all but now find they want to and run into bug #500338. > > In short, masking crossdev in any of the above ways results in very > little progress, and is detrimental to solving the issue since the mask > would prevent testing on a wide range of platforms because of the > inconvenience that masking causes, deterring people from even trying. > > jer +1 -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic