From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48C51387FD for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1B41E0935; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C436EE092F for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:07:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (politkovskaja.torservers.net [77.247.181.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9297833FEDE for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 16:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53948A21.6020809@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 16:06:57 +0000 From: hasufell Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project References: <20140607201920.0e0ccd5c@gentoo.org> <53937778.7020604@sporkbox.us> <20140607230815.07bc18e7@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <5393B6D8.4080201@gentoo.org> <20140608135616.581807d8@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <53947600.50506@gentoo.org> <20140608171543.45bf6ce7@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <20140608171543.45bf6ce7@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 46c865b3-0bf7-4ba0-a294-27e3f36d2626 X-Archives-Hash: 1063e3bc7f120999a530991b3bea85d5 Jeroen Roovers: > On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:41:04 +0000 > hasufell wrote: > >> The amount of contributors (with real patches and real ebuilds) is >> constantly decreasing, > > As evidenced where exactly? > I am not sure if that is a joke. You can pretty much ask most major gentoo projects. The ones where I was involved more deeply definitely suffer from that problem, including sunrise and games team. Science team gave up importing major ebuilds to the tree and just let users manage them on github, because that workflow sucks less. People are increasingly using their own overlays, because they don't want to bother with our collaboration walls. That's reality. >> because our workflow is horrible. I hope you >> don't actually think that bugzilla is an appropriate review platform. > > A poor workman ... > Work smart, not hard. >> The situation with lack of mentors is more than a small problem. > > If you need mentoring to write patches for OpenRC then you should > probably focus on lesser goals for the time being. > That's a common attitude in opensource, but still wrong and does not improve collaboration. Especially when we are talking about our own community. "Figure it out yourself or get lost!"?