From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC48D1387FD for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 14:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1055CE08E6; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 14:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1497AE08DD for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 14:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (politkovskaja.torservers.net [77.247.181.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hasufell) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B59533F619 for ; Sun, 8 Jun 2014 14:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53947600.50506@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:41:04 +0000 From: hasufell Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] The state and future of the OpenRC project References: <20140607201920.0e0ccd5c@gentoo.org> <53937778.7020604@sporkbox.us> <20140607230815.07bc18e7@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> <5393B6D8.4080201@gentoo.org> <20140608135616.581807d8@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> In-Reply-To: <20140608135616.581807d8@marga.jer-c2.orkz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a3c9388b-fb3b-4d36-ba96-472258b45e54 X-Archives-Hash: 4ebfaaf2795bfc39e874550dd988e913 Jeroen Roovers: > On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 03:05:28 +0200 > Alexander Berntsen wrote: > >> On 07/06/14 23:08, Jeroen Roovers wrote: >>> You can start fixing bugs immediately. You can check out the >>> sources, write patches and attach the patches to the bug reports. >>> Then all it takes is someone else to review/commit the patches. > >> Hacking an init system is different to hacking e.g. desktop or Web >> programs. > > Exactly nobody suggested that. > > That said, starting with OpenRC probably doesn't give you the easiest > learning curve for getting "into" Gentoo. > >> Unless Daniel happens to be a seasoned veteran init system >> hacker, having a mentor will be a significant boost. > > Lots of people post patches all the time. Whether they're good patches > is up for review, and the lack of mentoring doesn't stop thousands of > others from proposing patches on bugzilla on a very regular basis. > > The amount of contributors (with real patches and real ebuilds) is constantly decreasing, because our workflow is horrible. I hope you don't actually think that bugzilla is an appropriate review platform. The situation with lack of mentors is more than a small problem. It's a problem for a lot of gentoo internal projects as well where people start at positions they don't understand, because there is no one who did mentor them in that specific area.