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Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC: news item for upower
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Ben Kohler wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@gentoo.org
> <mailto:ssuominen@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
>
> Wrong. I'm always using the -t (--tree) flag with Portage and I
> would
> have seen upower being the culprit immediately,
> and second command would have been `eix upower` to see available
> versions, at which point I would have seen
> upower-pm-utils, and figured it out.
>
> - Samuli
>
> I'm glad this fire has mostly been put out, but I think you are making
> quite a leap here that normal users can "see upower-pm-utils, and
> figure it out". You may be too close to this problem to understand
> just how confusing it is to everyone else.
>
> No offense intended.
>
> -Ben
As a user, I have ran into blockers quite a few times. I either end up
asking on -user or using the trial and error approach. A lot of the
time, the trial and error approach fails and I still end up posting on
-user or find where someone else beat me to it. It's rare with the
output that portage gives that I can figure out why something is
blocking. Generally this is just a issue of a different version of the
same package being needed.
Given that in this case it is a entirely different package that is
needed to resolve it, I certainly would have been posting on -user.
Unless portage spelled it out that I needed to use a different package
all together, it would have never occurred to me.
I might add, I been using Gentoo since 2003. I'm not a dev for sure and
don't do scripting stuff so diggin in the ebuilds doesn't generally help
me much either.
Just a users point of view.
Dale
:-) :-)
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ben Kohler wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:24 AM,
Samuli Suominen <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Wrong. I'm always using the -t (--tree) flag with
Portage and I would<br>
have seen upower being the culprit immediately,<br>
and second command would have been `eix upower` to see
available<br>
versions, at which point I would have seen<br>
upower-pm-utils, and figured it out.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
- Samuli<br>
<br>
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I'm glad this fire has mostly been put out, but I think you
are making quite a leap here that normal users can "see
upower-pm-utils, and figure it out". You may be too close to
this problem to understand just how confusing it is to
everyone else. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">No offense intended.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">-Ben</div>
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</blockquote>
<br>
As a user, I have ran into blockers quite a few times. I either end
up asking on -user or using the trial and error approach. A lot of
the time, the trial and error approach fails and I still end up
posting on -user or find where someone else beat me to it. It's
rare with the output that portage gives that I can figure out why
something is blocking. Generally this is just a issue of a
different version of the same package being needed. <br>
<br>
Given that in this case it is a entirely different package that is
needed to resolve it, I certainly would have been posting on -user.
Unless portage spelled it out that I needed to use a different
package all together, it would have never occurred to me. <br>
<br>
I might add, I been using Gentoo since 2003. I'm not a dev for sure
and don't do scripting stuff so diggin in the ebuilds doesn't
generally help me much either. <br>
<br>
Just a users point of view. <br>
<br>
Dale<br>
<br>
:-) :-) <br>
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