From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4961381FA for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73061E0B7D; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F26BE0B75 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2014 01:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi2so541747wib.7 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:46:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Oeszsc8fwGCRonwnV9dum1C5AmiOT+KktdOPQ3nIA8U=; b=zHXkScoz/uRTYZyBumApfiwNpbm2vS8hKtCU4cVuJP2sIykuvUDPMCyMQ//iqAN3MJ /6T7PyfA3lUcNy7maqm73I6wAgg7UJx23cE4xrKwfpRwK+24upntc7wvYt1IQ0obdfXS zKeWgHzxiYHZ1FgwSJmF0mnbUak9eCwvZQyxwWx1d/htxeF4QzdMqMYjwN1PKsiGnO06 N6ZhBZj7t6tasL/oNz58xQRLfLMz83TH20DASNZKleBxGJSgBqhqSYulXoRkwq4fn9JR ButVsGRY1dHO64xhJ/v5W2iMVXTdZZ07exHeYUXvqJXvQ+zIGnRL6gomvCUCTSAHBnsk pU2Q== X-Received: by 10.180.85.163 with SMTP id i3mr445936wiz.14.1401846382181; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-215-51-239.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.51.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id hs8sm45488224wib.10.2014.06.03.18.46.20 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Jun 2014 18:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <538E7A40.3050000@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 03:45:36 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Off-list: [gentoo-dev] Re: UPower upstream (git master) and 0.99 release -> No sys-power/pm-utils support anymore References: <5383A0E6.3020700@gentoo.org> <20140531024701.GB3828@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> <5389BA4C.8040106@gentoo.org> <2990845.EWIttsqmb4@andromeda> <538DB0C5.6070206@gentoo.org> <538E6086.1010701@gentoo.org> <20140604022431.49a453ea@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20140604022431.49a453ea@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: acaff771-9149-429a-8947-7c3c0ba33f75 X-Archives-Hash: 7b103307dfd4024757344bc717943aa4 On 04/06/2014 02:24, Tom Wijsman wrote: > There is no such thing as a non-systemd profile; a sub directory is a > specialization, that doesn't mean that it parents suddenly become the > opposite of that. No, the parents are just generalizations that aren't > as specific as the sub directory. > > Doing what you've suggested everywhere but in gnome/systemd and > kde/systemd is a recipe to upset everyone whom runs systemd on another > desktop environment than GNOME or KDE; so, that's not a way forward. > > Another option is to create no-systemd sub directories; but such > profiles will be highly controversial, besides helping the exponential > grow of the profiles directories as well as be a non-default profile. > > Mix-ins from Funtoo, anyone? p.s. off-list :-) mix-ins? Awesome idea. We should do more of those. I don't understand why people are punting this idea of a non-systemd profile, I can see how that could ever work. Profiles *add* stuff or set some defaults, taking things away in a profile is really hard. The only thing it works for is globally setting stuff that can never be used eg, you need to remove all x86 cpu flags from arm Desktop profiles with and without systemd or KDE or Gnome or whatever looks exactly like an inherited class plus interfaces problem. Which is what mix-ins do :-) So once again - mixins, an awesome idea -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com