From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23091381FA for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 22:50:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C69DCE0AE0; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 22:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f179.google.com (mail-we0-f179.google.com [74.125.82.179]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE153E0AA8 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id q59so7521610wes.38 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=u3Fq+i7omJI0dXZb3cYldtrcSgmxXT5dmb8C/HxmV0Y=; b=Gu5Rko96sW3NOXInGgolrFQxzjgAb8kGwpYGbvjbT5YPzKZ1i1+CdwN34TK5TPNYTC vzGNZ8hGKASncYoCB9IsBfhkkP3litmiXhBi/wSGKp4GMy3HX5lo3hCe/g2uiXm4Ih54 3JYXHg0K6bPAzYrqjK5FY++HeKHSOdo64PHifW4+CxqVVrEuynynT+jQUcMd0fHtHNaV dHxBbw5g0PiriyQ7XQ25l1s8wKGztUBs2bnOWbmcq1HHwbt810G5FE2CVptlRDvvuhhF Mg8VtKfxI+1l8+skl07BJzUtjJDL31czPKuSwujCXnEJIwHHmCquUn9wNxuwJv+dUWBr 5n4g== X-Received: by 10.194.6.166 with SMTP id c6mr64426063wja.64.1401835833258; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.0.40] (196-215-51-239.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.215.51.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g9sm1161836wja.39.2014.06.03.15.50.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Jun 2014 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <538E510C.3020703@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 00:49:48 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: news item for upower References: <538DED0F.8010709@gentoo.org> <1401812396.19408.4.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> <20140603185813.18588.qmail@stuge.se> <538E26F6.2000801@gentoo.org> <538E2EEB.1080309@gmail.com> <20140604003244.733627bb@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20140604003244.733627bb@gentoo.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 08b41267-c9fd-48d1-b528-e86eb9949d76 X-Archives-Hash: 0916fc463786b8798dba90f687e156dd On 04/06/2014 00:32, Tom Wijsman wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 22:24:11 +0200 > Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> The point is, human communication is vastly more powerful > > +1 > > It might not be clear in the moment, because it looks like a ton of > bikeshedding and other ways some individuals would label this; but it > will be useful some time from now, when it leads to useful results. > > Having some people talk about things on a chat, forum, blog, ... might > have a short lived effect now with an occasional spike in the future; > but, a news item reaches a much wider public for a much longer item. > > Let's say someone upgrades his system in some weeks / months from now, > that person will be thankful that a news item was written about this; > instead of having this be part of the already though job of updating. > > Of course, there is a thing like "too much handholding" but I think > that's not the case here as the upower case pops up in a lot of places; > one does not have to forget that there is also "too little handholding". > > If it weren't for genkernel or a kernel seed to help me start out with > a booting system, I perhaps might have never started using Gentoo; I've > afterwards managed to change my config over time to look nowhere near > the original, but at least it makes me happy to have experienced the > handholding to bring me where I am today. These "little things" matter. > Indeed. It really comes down to a judgement call whether to compose a news item or not. I myself in my sysadmin day job get this right about 50% of the time if I'm lucky. I've learned (via hard knocks) that if a number of people raise concerns, then it very well might not be bikeshedding, it might be valid. Often as the BOFH I'm too close to the technical problem to notice the human elements - that needs a view from 10 feet back. News items are probably one of Gentoo's best ideas ever. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com