From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8F21387FD for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 08:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 942AEE0A02; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 08:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864CCE09DF for ; Sat, 5 Apr 2014 08:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m8H91n0021HzFnQ5A8H9xa; Sat, 05 Apr 2014 08:17:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.13] ([50.190.84.14]) by omta14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id m8H81n00L0JZ7Re3a8H89h; Sat, 05 Apr 2014 08:17:09 +0000 Message-ID: <533FBBF0.60808@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2014 04:16:48 -0400 From: Joshua Kinard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Make udev optional in net-wireless/bluez? References: <531BD08F.1000003@gentoo.org> <1394333701.20819.5.camel@lightboat.digis.net> <531D2FDB.5080303@gentoo.org> <1394430333.22096.27.camel@lightboat.digis.net> <1394434756.22096.44.camel@lightboat.digis.net> <531D7C72.7020709@gentoo.org> <531D8C2F.20807@gentoo.org> <531D9A92.5000706@gentoo.org> <20140310182725.7813467e@pomiot.lan> <1394494189.29514.9.camel@kanae> <533C72A3.9070605@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1396685829; bh=EKbsneJyZSVl+sbrqYwhMa4ly3MfWOPOaye7zWPxrk8=; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=HcUCO/3rT4MZiV/8zmsEjJNse1dNFuI2Lt792ZskpTqB/Nxaq3A3E/6SEuIJEDuSd FVaEYXFk/ezWnrXXyHVMawYiYSsL2Eg3Tc1wN5Qt/eKfMcq7nbeZCk4e9/mmPeaEj2 izmLqK39C1MAbWapm8Fj6uZXMiAdxDcYhJMkuGbcrmglEhthtqMYfh1SQJlsgjY3qq mHmgPWzj9PUYXz2dpIwgePVbYefx3EVQMosnZIK64m3qZ75mr2332KNtvOxWknbikO UYD8CZSJoT++PiI8sUmTOqbJDI615nuhW/xl+co21E2cjEtOC5ExmPWS/mA86A81Yy ceZgguX2IyCOw== X-Archives-Salt: 3e7ad756-76fc-43b8-88a3-54dca96c7bf9 X-Archives-Hash: cf3bb3810f6856f3029cf41dc874c22e On 04/02/2014 16:47, Rich Freeman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina > wrote: >> Honestly I'd rather see this split up into libbluetooth and bluez than >> make it possible to build a nearly entirely crippled bluez with no udev >> support. > > I think the right approach really depends on usefulness. Splitting > packages has its own set of issues. If it really made sense in the > general case to install one without the other splitting would make > managing dependencies a lot cleaner. However, if this is really so > that 10 Gentoo users can avoid having udev installed just give them a > flag and a warning and let them keep the pieces if they break their > box. I guess this is more of a question to be asked to the bluez developers why they even allow the bluez configure script to make udev optional. If they put that in there, there must be a good reason for it. So in one way, we're simply exposing additional functionality already in the package. > I mean, who is going to set USE=-udev globally and not expect that > something could go wrong? Anybody who is going to set up busybox mdev > isn't going to try to make that switch over their lunch break on a > production box. Actually, it took me about an hour to migrate off of udev. Most of the little problems left over were packages I forgot to rebuild w/ USE="-udev". I've either done that, or set package-specific USE flags to cut udev out when needed. Setup a VM and try it. See what life is like on the other side! -- Joshua Kinard Gentoo/MIPS kumba@gentoo.org 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between." --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic